Zed's Update ain't going to do Spit

ZROD·Jan 22, 2015·27 votes·2,916 views

Oh no another thread...will to bad! Let's see what this new update is going to do to change zed... OH his attack speed is being lowered. Will people lets do some math, his old attack speed, 0.658, and his new attack speed 0.644. Come ON PEOPLE you don't have to be smart to realize that it is only lowered by 0.014. You don't have to be smart to realize that that ain't going to do SPIT. The fact still remains that he will still be able to delete squishies, he will still be able to out farm you, he will still be able to split push all the way to your base, he will still use energy even though mana is being nerfed, and he will still LAUGH in your face every time he has marked you. The attack speed being lowered isn't going to change anything. Don't worry, there's some good news, HE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO DIVE YOU WHEN YOUR UNDER TOWER. That moment when Zed has all ins you and marked you and your like YES I'm going to kill him finally, Next thing you know he teleports to his ult shadow and now he all the way accross the map... I just made this thread to tell you guys my opinion. I'm not asking for anyone to agree or anything I just spoke my opinion. Will, just remember, never feel safe under your tower when there's a loose. P.S with all the assassins getting nerfed like Kat,fizz,akali, and DFG getting removed, this isn't going to help Zed's cause because those champs actually maybe stand a chance against him...

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Sailor MintJan 22, 201513 votes

Base Attack Speed .658 -> .644 Scaling: 3.1% -> 2.1% per level (52.7% -> 35.7% at level 18)

In plain English: At level 18: 1.00 -> 0.87 attacks per second.

Since Base Attack Speed was nerfed, he'll also gain less attack speed from items (i.e.: BotRK).

JJ H0GJan 22, 20151 votes

ITT: People cannot into math and Zed's crazy good split pushing and tank shred.

AnomalousChimeraJan 22, 20154 votes

I made no mention about how accurate the OP's math was. In fact, I knew it was wrong, but Zed will still be broken after the 'nerfs' because they don't fix what is making him overwhelming.

Guy Fox TeemoJan 22, 20152 votes

What makes Zed so overwhelming him? Tell me what is so OP about him that makes him win every game (Judging by his win rate doesn't seem to win very often) Why does he have a such a low win rate? Yet everyone says he's OP, obviously if he's OP he should be this simple champ like akali or fizz. Who just go in burst you faster then Zed can and get out, and they have a higher win rate then him but i dont see nearly as many posts about them being OP as I do Zed who has a lower win-rate. All he has going for him is being better then most champions at laning and can 1v1 fight , almost anyone. Which doesn't really contribute to the game. which if you haven't noticed. IS A TEAM GAME

ChargeItDownMidJan 22, 20157 votes

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JunkοJan 22, 20153 votes

Zed is not overpowered. A good Zed player is just frustratingly annoying to play against, just like Yasuo was before he got nerfed. Impossible to shut down while being good at every stage of the game.

ChargeItDownMidJan 22, 20153 votes

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JunkοJan 22, 20152 votes

Being good at every stage of the game =/= overpowered

Blitz is strong at every stage of the game because of his pull and cc, is he overpowered? Katarina has a pretty good early compared to most assassins because of manaless harass. Then there are champs like Riven or Rumble who have early level cheese while still having amazing late games. A Poppy main or just a smart player will not have a terrible early game either, unless against Darius or ranged top.

ChargeItDownMidJan 22, 20153 votes

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JunkοJan 23, 20152 votes

Kat is not as oppressive as Zed. First of all she is manaless, second of all if she is not cc'd she will kill WAY more than just your carry. And her Q and W give her pretty good waveclear late game on a low cd. The only thing she cannot do is kill turrets as fast.

Poppy his

oh i see, you have no idea about the champions actually and just want to hate on Zed

ChargeItDownMidJan 23, 20151 votes

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JunkοJan 24, 20151 votes

Wait so Kat who blinks and does her combo instnatly is often cc'd but Zed who gives an entire second if not more of a warning that he is gonna teleport next to you doesnt'?

ChargeItDownMidJan 24, 20151 votes

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JunkοJan 24, 20151 votes

There is no difference. Zed needs to use all his abiltiies and AA a few times after giving a huge warning which allows the entire enemy team to prepare to cc him before he can kill that 1 person he targeted. Kat blinks instantly and presser R and before you have a time to cc her she probably already dealt 1/3 of her damage in AoE.

Kat just doesn't have an escape to get out of trouble once she goes in (until Riot gives her the planned 80% CDR on her E anyway), and that she is manaless while Zed uses energy.

D1rtFarmerJan 22, 20154 votes

stfu, hes OP being and has alow win rate cause HES OVER PLAYED you child. The newbies see you getting away clean with everything with no reason to put yourself in danger, and they want a piece of the action.

AlphariteJan 22, 20153 votes

The 12 year olds are out in force today.

DemonicXHJan 22, 20151 votes

I am unranked and not level 30 so take my opinion as you will, but I don't think Zed is necessarily OP, it's just annoyingly frustrating to play against at times.

What Is SmiteJan 22, 20157 votes

Enemy mid takes Zed -> I tell my mid laner to take exhaust -> we now have 2 exhaust's to fuck over their DPS

DuobyteJan 22, 20152 votes

Why isnt this getting more upvotes? I like how squishy mages pick ignite over exhaust when I play zed, it is almost like they think a champion that is designed to kill them will be affraid of their ignite.

ValyrianBladeJan 22, 20156 votes

If they're only going to lower his attack speed by such a small amount, people will still complain and he'll still be the most banned champion.

They're doing it because he has a 47% win rate which is garbage, and they think he's not op and they just need a psychological nerf to get people to stop banning him.

They're wrong of course, he is op but has a low win rate because he's hard to play and all of the freelo seekers are rushing to him. Hopefully we'll see a meaningful nerf soon...

ZRODJan 22, 20153 votes

Agreed

killd0zerJan 22, 20155 votes

he is op but has a low win rate because he's hard to play and all of the freelo seekers are rushing to him

You're analysis is pretty poor. No one is rushing to play Zed out of nowhere, he's been popular and strong since release pretty much. His win rate has been declining to about 48% in DIAMOND, so unless the top 1% are all horrible at this game that's kind of a moot point. He's definitely op, but nowhere near as bad as people have been saying.

His resurgence came mostly with 5.0, when all assassins got stronger, and mana got nerfed. It's not really a coincidence that both Akali and Zed got more popular exactly with that change.

AnomalousChimeraJan 22, 20157 votes

Zed was heavily banned before the preseason changes even happened.

ValyrianBladeJan 22, 20158 votes

You can be good at the game but bad for your skill level with a champion. I.e. a diamond adc main who gets stuck mid goes zed because he's OP, and thus has a low win rate with him because he's not his main role.

I'd imagine a lot more non-mid mains are playing zed when stuck mid than are playing viktor / veigar / vel'koz / brand / etc... Whereas the number of zed mains is probably only slightly higher than mains of other mid laners.

Of course I have no hard stats, but it isn't hard to see that players REALLY don't like playing against zed.

It also doesn't help that I've seen a fair number of Zed tops in Diamond - probably trashes his win rate. I've even seen zed support. He's a champion with an extremely rewarding and safe skill set - that's the problem. Any safe champion should be weak, not top tier snowball carry material.

AnomalousChimeraJan 22, 20152 votes

There are people who play Zed in the jungle too. I'd say he's better than Kha'zix in it right now (although that's not a noteworthy accomplishment) since Kha'zix can't clear anything in the jungle and gets roughed up by camps. Zed's insane waveclear (arguably the best in the entire game because of his cooldowns) and his high base stats let him clear camps fast early on.

AnomalousChimeraJan 22, 20155 votes

I agree with you as usual, ValyrianBlade. Zed is broken, but Riot doesn't see that, which is made apparent by how it believes Zed is the most healthy assassin in the game. So the "healthiest" assassin in the game also has some of the lowest cooldowns in the entire game on his primary damage dealing abilities (6 and 4 seconds respectively on his Q and W)? Part of the reason for his low win rate is also the solo queue mentality which makes people do stupid things. I have seen many Zed players dominate in lane and then throw matches by doing some of the most stupid things imaginable.

AtheosisXJan 22, 20154 votes

Ah the classic yolo throw. The favorite past-time of fed tops and assassins.

Guy Fox TeemoJan 22, 20151 votes

His w btw is 18 seconds at rank one and 14 at rank 5. And no he has a low win-rate because everyone think's he's OP and just rushes to play him every time they get a chance but end up getting rekt'd because they realize Zed isn't this super easy champion like akali who you walk into lane and press R. He takes skill and in my opinion isn't that OP (My opinion may be a bit biased since i main him) but if you REALLY pay attention to what Zed actually brings to a team comp. - Good laning phase - Split pushing - Is a safe champion -Roams

All of Zeds strenghs revolve around HIM. All he does for his team that would help them is roam. After that he just split pushes and thats it. He's not like akali who can be in another lane every 5 seconds cause her roams are MUCH better then Zeds. She has good team fights because of her invisibility and can kill multiple targets and if low she jsut zhonya's then goes back in cause she can heal a lot.

Zed just goes in , kills someone and he's out he doesn't stick around and do more. Thats it.

NarasimhaJan 22, 20157 votes

he is op but has a low win rate because he's hard to play and all of the freelo seekers are rushing to him.

So basically he's like Lee Sin. And we know how many nerfs HE gets.

AtheosisXJan 22, 20153 votes

They think he's healthy for an assassin so don't expect much.

JamnonJan 22, 20153 votes

"Assassins are meant to be cancerous and anti-fun for the opponant" - love riot.

junglerboy16Jan 22, 20152 votes

Come ON PEOPLE you don't have to be smart to realize that it is only lowered by 0.014.

You just have to be smart to do the math and understand how AS works in this game.

Late game at full build with Youmuu's active and BotRK, he will have lost 0.143 AS, or roughly 20% AS, which is more than a dagger worth of AS. Before getting items, it actually hurts him even more since the heavily nerfed his % AS per level even harder than his base AS, bringing his base AS at 18 down from 1.005 to 0.879 which is a LOT.

PLEASE DO YOUR MATH BEFORE COMPLAINING.

Nox FleuretJan 22, 20153 votes

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junglerboy16Jan 22, 20151 votes

In terms of stats to gold, it removes over 600 gold worth of stats from him. It may not visually look like a huge nerf, but that will probably hurt more than most people realize.

MonotachiJan 22, 20152 votes

Because those are not the only Zed changes, lol. There are obviously more to come to PBE in the coming days.

OyddAWqJ5rJan 22, 20152 votes

~~Will~~ Well

Father CthulhuJan 22, 20152 votes

Really the only good part about Zed is his laning, and people always assume that they can still fight and 1v1 him easily and they always get cocky and loose. He's only super strong when his lane opponent feeds and then he starts to roam. He's only able to kill a tank in a single combo if he's fed as fuck and the tank isn't.

I mean, currently Zed has a 48% win rate and a 56% ban rate. He doesn't even win over HALF the time, I mean really. http://www.lolking.net/champions/ Go and find Zed.

gameisbuggyJan 22, 20152 votes

"what is done, cannot be undone" Zed But seriously, I think it's gonna be like the kha nerfs where people complain about it then they keep doing more and more until the champion is dead.

RIP kha'zix. You will be missed item 3070

hobomann2Jan 22, 20152 votes

buuuut no one will miss zed

ZRODJan 22, 20153 votes

I will :D

Buttigieg 2020Jan 22, 20151 votes

Everybody is QQing abou assasins. Just wait till league of warmogs comes back.

JnxxMrJamakJan 22, 20151 votes

The funny thing is Zed is the closet thing to a "healthy assassin" LoL will have. His ult is what allows him to kill people, yet exhuast, cleanse will remove his ilt which is the counter play. I honestly believe Zed passive should be nerfed on minions because his farming is just to easy and he's to safe with his W, but other then that hes fine.

Silents429Jan 22, 20151 votes

He can still get more done to him over this patch and the next, they need to make tweaks and see the result of them, they aren't going to just toss a bunch of random changes and see what happens. But seriously shut the hell up about Zed now.

RadiantWingsJan 22, 20151 votes

Blitz is one of the stronger supports in the game right now. He could possibly be overpowered, but that's mostly in relation to all the other supports that got nerfed too hard.

Katarina is getting nerfed.

Riven's animation cancel needs to be toned down, but you can see her coming and blow her up before she reaches priority targets.

At least Rumble has walk up and aim. Also, his early game is actually kind of bad, but he starts picking up mid-game pretty fast.

Poppy has a terrible early game. Most of the time, people just don't know how to pressure her properly early game because they NEVER see her.

BITE ZA DUSTOJan 22, 20151 votes

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ZRODJan 22, 20153 votes

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Remlap1223Jan 22, 20151 votes

I don't care what they take out of Zed, as long as it does something to make him not be a god of mid lane.

aaronconlinJan 23, 20151 votes

I think this nerf is due to the fact that Riot believes him to be healthy, but too strong in terms of being able to be an assassin but also have a huge split push ability. So, they're lowering his attack speed to lower his ability to take towers. By a little bit. Not saying this fixes his problems, but I'm also not saying that Zed is THE problem overall.

In an unrelated note, why did you type "will" instead of "well"?