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'the game was not meant to last long'. THEN BUFF LATE GAME ADC'S TOO.

DIL206··2 votes·866 views

I can't remember the direct quote but you mentioned the following in a patch along with a lot of changes.

  1. You added first tower gold bonus
  2. Winning team gains stronger minions
  3. Elder Dragon buff
  4. (forgot what the last new mechanic was)

These 4 changes was ultimately to decrease the time it takes for a game to finish. If the game is not suppose to last longer then what I assume by "long" you mean 30+ minutes.

Then what are Sivir Tristana Ashe Kalista and Urgot (Adc's are the most endangered in the meta so I'll only address them.)

All these champions don't even spike until their 4th item (used to be 3) due to none of them having a core lethality build (which is the only thing that kills tanks now).

2 of these characters (one being urgot)

have a winratio over 50% siting under a 5% play ratio... That's god awful. Even the 5% or less of people who main these characters can barely get value for effort used.

It caught my attention that these characters excluding urgot were all huge problems in professional play... And if this is truly the reason you're trying to kill these adc's off completely... stop wtf?

Why is every adc in the game being adjusted to make sure everyone has a fun experience overall except these guys? Can they get their pats on the back too? Because I'm sure as hell almost positive lucian could out shine sivir anyday, yet you buffed him 3 times and still showed sivir no affection, what's up with this?

13 Comments

Erockandroll2 votes

To be fair, First blood tower gold was designed to deter the endless laneswaps. And the stronger minion push, while does help the winning team close out games faster, it also prevents those lanes from getting Frozen, allowing the losing team to potentially farm back up.

The dragon buffs I think are a weird case. I feel like the elemental drakes themselves are over stated in their ability to snowball. But they do act as a trump card if the game goes really late, because you have those extra bonuses. And it buffs the potential of Elder.

Competitively speaking, Riot isn't going to be looking to closely at Ashe or Sivir because of their utility continuing to make them fair. I think people still hate Kalista's guts though. I think the real issue is with the true Hypercarries like Trist and Jinx. who stem from the issue of needing 3 different stats to simply scale up.

DIL2061 votes

Pretty good observation overall. Ashe you may have some point, she has alot of cc for an adc. But sivir's ability to move a bit faster then other people doesn't justify her strength in any way. Even if competitive play picking sivir is like asking for a loss now. Her damage just isn't there until 45 minutes in.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Hate people who think Legibility is to kill tanks.

I think we should allows turtleing but it is what it is.

DIL2061 votes

I mean this in the nicest way possible. You're silver right now meaning you don't know what it's like to face that 0/0/10 unkillable maokai. or the 5/1/4 renekton. or the 0/5/3 nautilus that will steam roll you and everyone else on your team if you dare ignore him. If an adc in todays meta try to ignore walk past the toplane tank to kill someone else they'll die before they can 2 auto's off.

Legibilty for adc's is to kill tanks, and that's common sense, so keep on hating, and enjoy Silver / gold V.

MrHaZeYo2 votes

No, Lethiality is meant to kill squishys not tanks. Leth is a worse version of flat armor Pen. If you build Armor it diminishes the stat (Leth).

You need LW or BC to cut through Armor stacking.

So enjoy being a smurf who is scared to post on his actual account?

DIL2061 votes

can't post on my actual account because if I did, I'd get reported for my name 100 times lol. But if you think buying a stat like Armour pen as your first 3 items you're obviously boosted. No one does not, not pro players, and not even bronze players...

MrHaZeYo2 votes

I'll assume your a smurf, you prolly are.

Leth is indeed armor pen, only worse as its only 60% effective.

10 Leth is 6 Armor pen at level 1, 10 armor pen before Leth was introduced wast indeed 10 armor Pen.

So for you to be a higher level league player (obviously you must be if you look down at me for being ~ gold 5. You should know that as it stands Lethailty is armor pen, just weaker. Leth itself doesn't counter armor, armor counters leth.

Once you combine Leth with Last Whisper and Black Cleaver does it start becoming effective vs Armor. You should know this.

DIL2061 votes

Lathality and armor pen aren't the same thing, There is a reason why you have items that give lethality. And you have items that give armor pen. For example Last whisper, and Youmuus'. They aren't the same thing, and they serve different purposes.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Riddle me this.

What did Ghostblade give before Leth? Answer: Flat Armor Pen. Leth is indeed Armor Pen, just in a weaker state until the target has reached level 18.

Last Whisper grants %Armor Pen (Based on Bonus Armor) and Black Cleaver gives %Armor Reduction, which effects all sources attacking said target unlike Armor Pen, which only effects the users ability to ignore the targets armor.

Leth is flat armor pen whereas %Armor Pen, they are the same thing, armor pen, one is flat, one is a percent.

You are correct in the last thing you said, They serve different purposes.

Leth (Flat Armor Pen) is meant to reduce the low armor a Glass Cannon or someone who builds a marginal amount of Armor.

Last Whisper(Percent Armor Pen) is meant to get through Armor Stacking.

Black Cleaver(Percent Armor Reduction) is meant to more or less be the medium, It serves a lesser purpose vs minimal armor users, while serving a greater service vs Armor Stacking.

Leth is a problem because on the few champions who can stack all 3 of these things and be extremely overbearing (Think MF, Lucian, Wu, Jayce)

Leth (Flat Armor Pen) itself isn't a problem.

Also if your wondering the 4th form of Resistance negation would be something like a Witt's End; Every attack is a Flat Resistance reduction (In this case, MR), while it also gives it to you so it's considered both a Flat Resistance Reduction and a Stealing effect.

Order of Calculations: Armor reduction, flat Armor reduction, percentage - Black Cleaver Armor penetration, percentage - Last Whisper Armor penetration, flat - Lethality

Lethality Calculation: Flat Armor Penetration = LETHALITY × (0.6 + 0.4 × Target's level ÷ 18)

DIL2061 votes

That is exactly what I'm saying... Armor pen isn't Lethality... Lethality is a different type of armor pen. I'm not sure what you're not getting...

MrHaZeYo1 votes

What are you smoking? Can I have some?

Armor Pen was just simply renamed to Lethality becuase you only get 60% of the number at level 1.

10 Leth is 6 flat armor pen. So it is indeed flat armor pen.

Yaśuo Main1 votes

when you dont mention Vayne

and ask to buff late game adcs

DIL2061 votes

Although this post was mentioned for late game adcs, and Vayne does fit that description. She also is being adjusted in the meta. In the last 3 patches she's been buffed or nerfed directly and or indirectly.

Not to mention she doesn't have to rush lethality to damage tanks because her silver bolts allows her to do true damage. Which is almost always better than lethality in any situation.

The champions I mentioned above. Are receiving nothing.

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