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I have some questions about ranked play.

CaptainSergeant··1 votes·1,100 views

So I grinded out of Bronze from b3 and made it to s5.. yay .. then I noticed I was getting matched with players that were b3,4,5 still and lost a crap ton of games (granted I had some bad ones in there myself, but for the most part these players needed a ton of work, wouldn't listen to any instructions, and most of them just didn't care how bad they were). I know I am not a great LoL player, but I was wondering why ,If I got out of Bronze, why am I still in Bronze? I mean I constantly got matched with b3,4 and 5 players.. some have not even won ten games yet. Why have Silver at all if you are still co-oping & competing with people that are a lot lower than you? I mean it makes sense to me that if you are in Silver..you should play with and against Silver players right? Why is this not the case?

Could there be a kind of qualifier system of sorts that players would have to qualify JUST TO GET INTO ranked games? Instead of just sending a ton of really bad players to a "hell", (as they call it) just make everyone qualify on some level to be able to even play at all in ranked games.. I think the competition would be better.. the games would be more evenly matched overall (you'll still get smurfs that are just great at the game, which btw I have learned a lot from playing against and with smurfs, but do feel it messes with the whole ranking sys..if I'm trying to get to silver/gold, I shouldn't be having to prove myself in my series' against plat/challenger players..you know what I mean?, but that's a different subject all together I guess)

Heck I might not even qualify myself to play in ranked, but could improve and keep trying, plus I wouldn't be the guy (or one of the 3-4 guys) feeding, chasing, not warding, having no map awareness and making constant throw plays to ruin others games. I'm ok with that, I know what it feels like to play with people that simply DO NOT BELONG on the same level in ranked that you are in no matter what the ranking says (example: I go 6/4 in my ranked determining matches..had 2 of the losses with an afk, matches that were close and we could have won realistically... I get placed in b3..another player looses all their matches..is very new to the game.(mind you I've been playing since S1)..has no real skill yet in the game...He gets placed b5..I still get matched with this players even after I reach over 100 wins and get to s5...how is that logical at all?) ..and I know whats it like to be that guy when I have a bad game.. either way it's no fun for 5 people play a game out of 10 players. There has to be a way to get rid of this "elo Hell" and properly match players where they belong. I have met some really good, better than myself, players that could not get out of Bronze and I was in Silver at the time. A lot of good support players seem to have a hard time advancing, and they are better than where they are placed.

I also notice most of the players I am playing with have less win % than I do, not sure how that works when I get matched with a player that has 9 total wins out of 26 and 2 positive scores out of all 26 matches?

So could some kind of controlled ranked system work? idk, I just know that it is quite frustrating atm the way it is for us mediocre players when we run into this situation of having to play with a lot of players that just simply do not belong in ranked games.

Yes, guys I know, I'm not as good as you, Yes, I know, I'm just another Bronze player complaining about matchmaking, Yes, I know, I'm not as good as I think I am...anything else lol cuz I know it's coming? eh, sure I'll get a new one.. but I would like to know seriously if this is something that is feasible.. I mean there has to be a better way than the way it is now.. there is always room for improvement. Any thoughts out there about a better way? And is Riot at all concerned about this topic or do they just care about the top tier players? (not saying they only care about top tier...they might, but I just would like to know where they stand on this topic.. I think Riot has done a great job with this game.. I have gotten years of entertainment out of it, I am just wondering what the bigger picture is that they look at, and is this topic a part of it?)

Thanks

12 Comments

disregardable1 votes

That happens when you climb too quickly. You'll lose more LP from a loss than you get from a win until either the system believes you belong in Silver 5 (and matches you with Silver 5s) or until you drop back down. It's got nothing to do with silver itself, it's how climbing in the game works to any division.

CaptainSergeant1 votes

Interesting...so it sounds like because the season just started, the system is balancing itself out atm? I guess it is hard to determine REALLY where people should be placed when there are probably at least idk one million players or so? (maybe less or more but you get the point i'm sure)

Thanks for the info

ChexMex1 votes

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Interesting...so it sounds like because the season just started, the system is balancing itself out atm? I guess it is hard to determine REALLY where people should be placed when there are probably at least idk one million players or so? (maybe less or more but you get the point i'm sure)

Thanks for the info

the season started 7 months ago

down there you just have to carry yourself out. because you have so much to learn the margin for improvement is huge.

CaptainSergeant1 votes

lol I guess I just started this season a month ago or so.. yea i'm noob, but I still feel like I'm better than what I'm getting matched with atm.. I guess the real question is...Is there another way to control ranked games and get them more evenly matched? a timeless question I guess, but I was just wondering if anyone out there had some ideas and what Riot had to say about it. I'm starting to use outside resources to get better too so maybe that will help, but I think mechanics are tough to learn..I'm 38 & dees old fingers just arnt that quick anymore lol, but I'm tryin i guess..Thanks

ChexMex1 votes

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lol I guess I just started this season a month ago or so.. yea i'm noob, but I still feel like I'm better than what I'm getting matched with atm.. I guess the real question is...Is there another way to control ranked games and get them more evenly matched? a timeless question I guess, but I was just wondering if anyone out there had some ideas and what Riot had to say about it. I'm starting to use outside resources to get better too so maybe that will help, but I think mechanics are tough to learn..I'm 38 & dees old fingers just arnt that quick anymore lol, but I'm tryin i guess..Thanks

yes, in all ranked games have 1 dynamic common factor

you.

CaptainSergeant1 votes

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yes, in all ranked games have 1 dynamic common factor

you.

That sounds like something Yoda would say lol, but I guess its true.. I just feel like some games are just unwinnable with the team you get paired with due to the current skill lvl of the players. Like I said I know I can get better, and I do try and help others with the knowledge I do have currently, but 8/10 times they have no interest in learning ..some do..but most just tell you to stfu or something lol. some games you just can't carry no matter how good you are if your team wont listen to the most experienced player and does not co-op. I just hate the feeling of getting punished in rank due to others unwilling to learn on and off the rift ya know. I still feel like some players just do not belong in ranked games yet...like i said b4...maybe I'm one of them, but I'm at least coach-able and willing to listen to reason and more experienced players ya know...I mean when their right..their right.. I don't mind learning from mistakes.. If someone is doing something noob, telling them they are an idiot, or noob or stupid will never help them grow ya know, and who knows maybe they can learn from that mistake in THAT current game and help you win, or maybe you will be matched again with them..just seems like people don't want to get better a lot and therefore I don't understand why they even play ranked in the first place, because "tryhard" as it sounds..some people want to win, grow and get better.. it's a great game.. the people sometimes make it not so great lol. I mean I know I just have to deal with it and get better somehow, but wondering if there is a better way never hurt right?.... Thanks

Budupops1 votes

means you got carried by others, so truly you are still bronze

CaptainSergeant1 votes

I just look at my match history, do you know how the system considers or calculates "getting carried" vs I guess "doing what you can to help the team win"? like there are so many games that I call the shots for things happening away from me and help the team win. you can do quite a bit actually that really never appear on a stat sheet I guess that have a big part in your team winning. So is there a known formula for this calculation? just wondering.. not disagreeing at all.. just wondering if it's a known formula. Thanks

Budupops1 votes

you say this as if the system itself knows what its doing

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

You get matched by MMR, not by divisions...

xo Violet1 votes

Just because you are in Silver 5 doesn't mean you have to be matched against Silver 5's. You are matched against people with similar MMR, which is your Match Making Rating or something. That can be anywhere, and you will gain/lose more depending on if its higher/lower than your division respectively. Also, do NOT say that your teammates have a lot to improve on. Regardless, YOUR climb is not up to THEM. You have to carry them or lose. The end. So complaining about THEIR skill level will just set you back.

CaptainSergeant1 votes

Right on .. I see your point.. just feels like some games are unwinnable.. and I guess after thinking about it, they seem that way because of my own skill lvl... I got a lot to learn, I know. Thanks

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