Rek'Sai. Recently released jungle champ, 39th/46 placement rate in jungle. This is bad.

DustyBronco·Jan 18, 2016·3 votes·2,281 views

Champion.gg - Rek'Sai Jungle Stats, Builds, Runes, Masteries and Counters

Supplied link is from Champion.gg, it aggregates gameplay data from diamond-ranked matches. Rek'sai has a 46% winrate. He is currently the 7th WORST jungle champion in the game, despite being released not too long ago...

I realize he used to be in a strong spot and that it may be hard to figure out what to do with him, but something clearly needs to be done here.

29 Comments

Bears Dont CareJan 18, 20163 votes

Its primarily because she has been reduced to being a knock up bot. They gutted a significant chunk of her damage on her Q. They removed her bonus rage from her passive so her ability to chunk with E is even more difficult than before.

Mr VulcanatorJan 18, 20161 votes

Furious Bite does nothing until really late game, and I think that's more from passive damage gain than anything else.

IronwallJacksonJan 18, 20162 votes

The problem with Rek'Sai is that she has the potential to be tremendously powerful, almost on the strength of her ult alone. There's a reason she was a top pick during Worlds.

At worst, she's under tuned at the moment.

ErockandrollJan 18, 20162 votes

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The problem with Rek'Sai is that she has the potential to be tremendously powerful, almost on the strength of her ult alone. There's a reason she was a top pick during Worlds.

At worst, she's under tuned at the moment.

And still, she's a high priority pick in the LCS. How on earth do you reconcile between LCS and Diamond level play? (And don't say Riot shouldn't, because they are going to ensure that the pro scene remains interesting, regardless of where they balance 95% of their game around.)

I personally think it's perfectly fine focusing her around team efforts. You wouldn't be able to increase her Solo power without removing some of her utility, And that's ultimately going to change up Rek'sai by far too much.

TroiannJan 18, 20162 votes

Yeah they absolutely gutted her damage and the knockup radius nerf was just like....really?

She's absolute garbage in soloqueue because her mobility, while on paper it looks decent, just feels like nothing. You need teammates, because without them your main mode of traveling (underground), doesn't allow you to actually see nearby threats like skillshots that normally would be flashable. She went from being a broken bruiser to a utility/vision/peeling tank who can't have any major teamfight presence because she has that global ult and her mobility.

Mr VulcanatorJan 18, 20161 votes

It's nigh impossible to chase with Rek'Sai if tunnel is on cooldown.

ZephyrDrakeJan 18, 20162 votes

not sure if troll or serious

DreadlocksJan 18, 20162 votes

Because instead of keeping the champion unique to her features, they gutted everything that people found fun about her and turned her into nothing more than a shitty knock-up bot, which also got nerfed.

AbyssphereJan 18, 20164 votes

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Because instead of keeping the champion unique to her features, they gutted everything that people found fun about her and turned her into nothing more than a shitty knock-up bot, which also got nerfed.

They only ever nerfed her damage and her knockup. Her actual unique features are the only things in her kit that were never nerfed.

DreadlocksJan 18, 20162 votes

I liked her damage on Q, i liked the AP on it as well. I liked playing her as a bruiser, not a knock up bot. So to me, they killed what was fun.

AbyssphereJan 18, 20163 votes

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I liked her damage on Q, i liked the AP on it as well. I liked playing her as a bruiser, not a knock up bot. So to me, they killed what was fun.

They might have killed what you found fun, but they didn't kill what was unique about her. Rek'Sai's damage was no different to the damage on any other bruiser and her AP Q poke was just Nidalee spears but free - it's her vision system that makes her unique and that's what they preserved.

DreadlocksJan 18, 20161 votes

Just because something is unqiue doesn't make them good though.

AbyssphereJan 18, 20162 votes

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Just because something is unqiue doesn't make them good though.

But you're the one who said they didn't keep her unique.

DreadlocksJan 18, 20161 votes

Pretty sure shes worse than Elise stun-bot lvl back wen she got gutted.

Bears Dont CareJan 18, 20161 votes

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her AP Q poke was just Nidalee spears but free

Really? An ability with a 120% AP and 390 base damage is comparable to an ability that was 180+ 100% of AP?

AbyssphereJan 18, 20161 votes

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Really? An ability with a 120% AP and 390 base damage is comparable to an ability that was 180+ 100% of AP?

An ability with 180 + 100% AP is comparable to an ability that does 180-390 + 40-120% AP, yes. Nidalee spears very often hit for less than the max damage, meaning Rek'Sai Qs outdamaged them until about 900 range. Rek'Sai's Q had longer range, significantly higher missile speed and a larger hitbox to boot, as well as having a small detonation on impact whereas Nid spears can only ever damage by directly hitting their target.

AP Rek'Sai's Prey Seeker, as a poke tool, is infinitely better than Javelin Toss, even post-nerf. Easier to hit in several different ways, fired with even more safety, and comparable in cooldown at max rank. Before the AP ratio was nerfed, it was a legit thing that people played if they didn't feel like 1v5ing with AD Rek'Sai. Even post-nerf, AP Rek'Sai was better in Urf than Nidalee was, because she could actually reliably hit her constant poke.

Just because Javelin Toss has higher potential damage than Prey Seeker doesn't mean it's the better ability. Pretty sure Nid would gladly swap her Q for Rek'Sai's if it still applied Hunt marks.

Bears Dont CareJan 18, 20161 votes

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An ability with 180 + 100% AP is comparable to an ability that does 180-390 + 40-120% AP, yes. Nidalee spears very often hit for less than the max damage, meaning Rek'Sai Qs outdamaged them until about 900 range. Rek'Sai's Q had longer range, significantly higher missile speed and a larger hitbox to boot, as well as having a small detonation on impact whereas Nid spears can only ever damage by directly hitting their target.

AP Rek'Sai's Prey Seeker, as a poke tool, is infinitely better than Javelin Toss, even post-nerf. Easier to hit in several different ways, fired with even more safety, and comparable in cooldown at max rank. Before the AP ratio was nerfed, it was a legit thing that people played if they didn't feel like 1v5ing with AD Rek'Sai. Even post-nerf, AP Rek'Sai was better in Urf than Nidalee was, because she could actually reliably hit her constant poke.

Just because Javelin Toss has higher potential damage than Prey Seeker doesn't mean it's the better ability. Pretty sure Nid would gladly swap her Q for Rek'Sai's if it still applied Hunt marks.

There you go... First of all, you are comparing the two abilities in an inappropriate context. Rek'sai's Q fulfilled poke/utility for revealing targets.

nidalee's provided sight, damage, and a hunt proc which provided enhanced damage/capability on her other abilities. One was meant to poke. The other is to enable the other champ to smash your character into bits. So no, the two are not comarable at all, especially because Nidalee would build straight AP, providing greater damage while Rek'sai never did such a thing because it made the rest of her kit uselessly weak and made her squishy without any benefits to go along with it.

Let alone on to of the fact that an AP Rek'sai was easily countered because she had no damage to defend herself after she was jumped on.

lightdragoon88Jan 18, 20162 votes

Rek'sai is female so all your "he" should be "she"
She was top tier, but Riot kept nerfing her damage patch after patch that, despite them saying she supposed to be a high damage squishy jungler, she can only be played as a tank jungler and no where near as good as other tank junglers.

RexSaurJan 18, 20162 votes

Have you watched lcs?reksai is one of the top 2 junglers.

PROJECT FizzJan 18, 20162 votes

It's a she not a he.

Rico NastyJan 18, 20162 votes

*she

TeemoJenkinsJan 18, 20161 votes

Only had one Rek'Sai in a recent game... and he absolutely DESTROYED the enemy team. Made me want to start playing her again.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2070285365/202703050?tab=overview

PROJECT FizzJan 18, 20161 votes

Sir, I would like to add, reksai is a female

TeemoJenkinsJan 18, 20161 votes

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Sir, I would like to add, reksai is a female

He referencing the player, her referencing the champ... reading the post before correcting works wonders.

PROJECT FizzJan 18, 20162 votes

Well, sorry. You could just correct me, instead of adding an insult to my reading ability. It's been a long day for me.

Mr VulcanatorJan 18, 20161 votes

I've pointed out her flaws in the past but all I've gotten is "NO SHE'S OP FREAKING NERF THAT @#$!@#%!" and "YOU DON'T KNOW HOW OP SHE IS YOU STUPID PERSON!"

Personally think she needs some buffs. In particular the usefulness of preyseeker, perhaps add a slow, make it automatically detonate when it hits max range, able to be detonated (like Vel'Koz Q) and reveal in an AOE, and do something about how hard it is to land based on the pings from being burrowed.

AbyssphereJan 18, 20161 votes

Well, she's not going to get buffs until she stops being one of the best junglers in pro play, and I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.

Dominick DestineJan 18, 20161 votes

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I realize he used to be

Rek Sai is girl cockroach, not male cockroach.

http://orig11.deviantart.net/3d1d/f/2015/124/8/f/lol____rek_sai_chan__by_hosen_hosen_hocen-d8s7vej.png