Let's talk about healing and its counters....

Spicy Coon Eggs·2/6/2018, 1:08:39 PM·11 votes·3,926 views

So, healing, there are over 45 champions that can currently heal in one way or another (lets not talk about summoner spells, items and runes), however there are 2 champions that can apply Grievous Wounds (Varus, Katarina).... I do not understand why there are so many champions that can heal (and they keep getting introduced) but riot hesitates to introduce champions with Grievous Wounds (Most Grievous Wounds effects were removed btw, Mf, Fizz, Gp..) I don't think that its ok to have this many healing effects and like 2 champs that can reduce healing, 3 items (one for each role so if the items don't suit you or the game ur fucked, ) and ignite. I think there should be more options when it comes to Grievous Wounds what do u think ?

20 Comments

Teridax682/6/2018, 2:12:46 PM13 votes

The 3 base items that provide Grievous Wounds are either core to an entire class of champions (i.e. Morellonomicon), or very cheap counters (i.e. Bramble Vest and Executioner's Calling), so if you are looking for sources of Grievous Wounds in the game, there are plenty enough already. More generally, though, the counterplay to healing should not be to pick a champion with Grievous Wounds, and counterpicking generally should not constitute the entirety of counterplay (nor should counter-itemization either). If you feel healing in the game is excessive or uninteractive, that's a potentially valid criticism, but I don't think that should entail loading up many more kits with Grievous Wounds on the off-chance that they run up against a champion with sustain.

Nahui2/6/2018, 1:48:47 PM6 votes

Because then the Soraka mains of the would join hands and cry out in pain together which hurts riot’s soul.

Grievous wounds I’m okay with. I’m just waiting for the day they introduce a grievous wounds for Shields.

Zed genius2/6/2018, 2:29:12 PM2 votes

Healing should be the least of our worries for league balanced nowadays tbh

Bârd2/6/2018, 3:15:57 PM2 votes

No. We don't need more options against healing.

If anything, we need less.

It's already too easy to deal with.

item 3165 is the single best AP item in the game. item 3123 is an 800 gold counter to any heal reliant champion, and it builds into item 3033 for late. item 3076 is a counter to every heal reliant champion except Vladimir Fiddlesticks and it builds into item 3075 .

On top of that, everyone and their mother is running Unsealed Spellbook, so they can just swap to summoner 14 and have it up every fight if they don't want any of these.

Jaspers2/6/2018, 2:05:54 PM2 votes

How about, and hear me out, reduce all healing in the game by 33% and remove Grievous Wounds entirely.

All of it, from lifesteal to Nami's W, all the healing Vlad or Swain gets etc. GW reduces healing by 40% anyway so after those that can heal still have okay healing due to it not going down by 40% but only 33%. Some champs are too easily countered by just buying Bramble. Against Aatrox, Trundle or Fiora top? Buy Bramble.

Without Grievous Wounds healing champs can be properly balanced because the idea that there is a few items that counter their entire idea is surely a reason why if you don't get the stat they can become a problem.

Arcade Lulu2/6/2018, 3:20:59 PM1 votes

Doesn't Darius apply Grievous Wounds or something?

I'm not 100% sure

Reaper Soraka2/6/2018, 4:00:29 PM1 votes

I think it's for the same reason they changed Veigars Ult from enemy AP to missing HP. The innate affect is such a hard counter that it can make or break a game at champ select.

I don't really mind that people buy mortal reminder/morello to apply grievous wounds, at least it's later in the game and they have to do something for it. If people were just given it for free they'd have to make healing more powerful to balance around it...then making players who decide not to counter be forced into mortal or be outsustained too hard.

It's a vicious cycle that I don't think they'll ever truly balance.

Lios Ashenblade2/6/2018, 4:52:46 PM1 votes

Makes me miss grog soaked blade

Colton1472/6/2018, 7:41:36 PM1 votes

DrMundo item 3070