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Elo hell from a math perspective

Commbustion·9/16/2016, 4:57:29 AM·2 votes·886 views

People say that the enemy team is more likely to get a troll. So they say then you'll always have a 56% win rate and be climbing if you got a ton of trolls. With a 56% win rate you can get demoted a whole rank. If it were full proof, over 50% win rate and you climb then me putting 56 wins and 44 loses into an situation it will 100% of the time end up with me climbing at least a little. But that is not true. I have a 60 something % win rate with amumu, I've played him over 20 games in a row and still lost lp... more proof. Just do the math. If you can break a rule and disprove it then you need to find a new rule. So if putting 56 wins and 44 loses into any situation doesn't 100% of the time end up with me climbing the then rule is false. (My top 9 champions most played in ranked have a higher win rate than 50% and I have yet to climb) Also lets say after 100 games you have 20lp more, it would take 1,000, games played to get into a promo to get one rank higher. Kinda pathetic tbh

9 Comments

Lordllo9/16/2016, 5:03:28 AM1 votes

That is kind of sad,but that's the worst possible scenario..

Liquid Sloth9/16/2016, 5:10:44 AM1 votes

Example: 10 Players (5v5) Red Vs Blue. 100 games. Red team wins 56% of the time. Blue Loses 56% of the time. Blue Wins 44% of the time. Red Loses 44% of the time. It would be impossible for both blue and red to be at 56% win rate ever.

IF 100% of the players won 56% of the time. Then there are ither bots or lies, or mis concept. Maybe if 10% of the players won 56% of the time or 40% or any other percent other than everyone. Then you as a player fall into that category.

Glaedr9/16/2016, 5:16:32 AM1 votes

Sure, you will climb at a winrate of 55% in a vacuum of hundreds of games, but people don't look at the big picture. The current rank design favors winstreaks rather than consistently winning. I mean obviously yeah if you're at a 60% winrate then you will climb pretty quickly, but a guy can theoretically have a 45% winrate, win just enough games to not get demoted, then get enough winstreaks to carry them to promos over and over. Thanks to promo-helper it just helps the winstreak form of climbing even more.

Eedat9/16/2016, 5:21:11 AM1 votes

but you have a 50% win rate, not 56 lol

Teslyn9/16/2016, 5:24:18 AM1 votes

Let me help out. you are silver 3 you are 210W / 204L you where Silver 5 last season. so, i am going to refer to you as a (+6 W/L) player to represent what you are. your win rate is 51%

me: i am Diamond 5 i am 118W/ 87L i was Plat 5 last season so, i am going to refer to myself as a (+31 W/L) i have a 58% win rate.

for you to get to my win rate you need to win around 70 games in a row and i can tell you if you pull off that feet you will be diamond in no time. if you think that is impossible and who could do that? so based on my win rate if i was to play as many games as you my win / loss record should reflect accordingly:

240W / 174L

i understand the frustration, but if the math is correct, i would be (+66 W/L)

if you are having problems climbing i recommend winning.