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Could league improve peoples' laning phase?

PearPearadox··1 votes·543 views

The League of Legends laning phase has been broken for all 7 seasons, and before you start raging at me in the comments, at least read my explanation first or you have no right to rage at me.

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Argument First of all, champions have many many counters. When you play a game and get countered, you automatically lose lane. This is because even if you don't die, the other person will overpush you and make you CS under turret, which makes them significantly stronger than you are. The enemy laner could also get so ahead in CS that they will be 2 levels ahead of your whole entire team, and be able to towerdive you which then grants them kills. If the enemy laner also decides to freeze lane, then you will have not much CS and levels, since you have to stay under turret because they are zoning you. This completely blows the argument, that their minions will be higher leveled so you get more experience from them. They will zone you so you get no CS at all.

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MY CONCLUSION My conclusion for this paragraph is that if you're losing lane, Riot has made no way that you can come back from losing lane at all. This game is made so that if you lose lane you lose it hard no matter what.

So then that brings me to your main and only argument, Jungler ganks.

Yes, it is true that ganks from your jungler can change your lane. I know very well that you will say that ganks from your jungler will help you win lane, and probably already went to post that reply right now.

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2nd Argument The problem with this is that the state of your game doesn't become reliant on you anymore. What if your Jungler vowed to never gank you because he's mad at you, or your jungler just doesn't gank at all? Then you have no power. Riot's made the system this twisted, that if your Jungler does not gank your losing lane, you have no power to fix it, and no power to come back at all.

This is why you never see even lanes, only losing/winning lanes that stomp their opponents

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MY 2ND CONCLUSION My 2nd conclusion is that your lane is not reliant on you anymore once you start losing lane. If your jungler decides to not gank you, or doesn't gank, then you're screwed since Riot never implemented a system that you can come back from lane by yourself. You're powerless.

15 Comments

I am Pacman2 votes

What?

When you play a lane where you are countered yeah you have a much harder time. Doesn't mean you lose lane. That's the point of maining champions so you can learn to adapt to any situation and beat your counters.

As long as you dont die you should be able to keep up in exp pretty easily as the range to get minion exp is massive and out of range of engage for most champs.

So the jungler doesn't gank your lane. Deal with it. If they are half decent then they are helping other lanes or getting objectives. Its a basic tradeoff.

I don't understand what your argument is here. People shouldn't be punished for playing badly and losing lane?

PearPearadox1 votes

First of all, the enemy laner will counter you and force you under tower.

Second of all, if the enemy doesn't zone you, then he will force you to CS under tower which will make a huge CS disadvantage for you even if you are the same level.

And third,

If the JG doesn't gank a losing lane, then why would he gank any other lanes except for yours?

Fourth of all

My Argument is that once you lose lane, there's no way to comeback from it while you're still in your laning phase and your JG doesn't gank. This scenario is seen too commonly, which I why I stated that lanes either are a stomp or get stomped, and there's no in between.

My Argument is that Riot has made laning phase so that if you lose lane and your jungler doesn't gank, you can't win lane at all.

Quil Evrything1 votes

yes, thats true. and that will never change. You need a sane jungler to win.

If you really dont like that, and you dont want to lane any more.. then great. learn how to be a jungler yourself. Become part of the solution :)

Quil Evrything1 votes

i figure this is by design. RIot wants to make this "a team game". So, "the team" has to help out a losing lane. If they dont play as a team, they lose.

My summary:

  1. choose carefully in champ select
  2. if your lane is completely hopeless, then roam.
PearPearadox1 votes

Roam = They get turret

But then it's unfair if you aren't able to do anything. It's not fair if you want to play as a team, but the other's don't

Quil Evrything1 votes

yeah, thats the game. I'm only saying roam when you are COMPLETELY countered. Then they're going to get the turret anyway, and kill you under your tower. So instead of dying under your tower.. go do something more useful.

and yes, if the other people dont want to play as a team... which is 60% of all bronze games... then you're hosed either way. Which is one of the reasons ranked games for noobs suck. Because you get graded "as a team",even when you dont actualy have a team.

PearPearadox1 votes

Team will blame and it's hard to gank if your champion is not good for ganking.

Zelorxon1 votes

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PearPearadox1 votes

I got news for you buddy, the enemy laner has powerspikes too. Bet you never knew that.

I also want to let you know that some people don't want to give up their lane through rotation.

I can only assume you've been as lucky as to never lose lane and never have an enemy laner with powerspikes and have nice team mates that always rotate with you.

Zelorxon1 votes

Yep, you're clueless, just as i imagined...

PearPearadox1 votes

You too buddy. Powerspikes and Rotations fix every game yup.

I am Pacman1 votes

Roam = They get turret

Big whoop, they got tower. Even if it was tower fb unless you have some way to defend it (if you are mid then yeah you want it up but if you are mid then your jungler can defend while you back) then you are just wasting your time. Once it is down you can push up to their tower and proceed to roam as you will have enough time to get back before it hits the second tower.

Assuming you roam at the proper time and you know how to roam to make it successful you will come back to lane either back in the game or have helped your team get ahead.

If the JG doesn't gank a losing lane, then why would he gank any other lanes except for yours?

Maybe he knows you just whining and he can't help anymore due to the enemy being fed off you. In that case every jungler SHOULD HELP THE OTHER LANES. Camping winning lanes will totally destroy people and can easily lead to a couple of towers or a dragon if not more kills.

First of all, the enemy laner will counter you and force you under tower. ...I got news for you buddy, the enemy laner has powerspikes too. Bet you never knew that.

These two points are just iritating as they are such blanket statements. Every matchup is different and neither of these are valid arguments. Champions are meant to have different powerspikes throughout the game.

This scenario is seen too commonly, which I why I stated that lanes either are a stomp or get stomped, and there's no in between. My Argument is that Riot has made laning phase so that if you lose lane and your jungler doesn't gank, you can't win lane at all.

If I win lane and then get outplayed then yes I deserve to be even/start losing lane. If I'm winning lane and nothing changes then I should keep winning my lane. Learn your champion and learn matchups. There are very few true hard counters in league and most lanes can be won with a bit of fineness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUp6auESOP0

This will help you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-G4wEc6wqw

First point he says pretty much sums up why people lose/win lanes and why changing that would be bullshit.

Remember sums and important cds and outplay your opponent by waiting for them to make a mistake. That's how you come back from a losing lane.

PearPearadox1 votes

Big whoop, they got tower. Even if it was tower fb unless you have some way to defend it (if you are mid then yeah you want it up but if you are mid then your jungler can defend while you back) then you are just wasting your time. Once it is down you can push up to their tower and proceed to roam as you will have enough time to get back before it hits the second tower.

Jg will not defend or gank any lanes is the assumption I'm making this whole argument

These two points are just iritating as they are such blanket statements. Every matchup is different and neither of these are valid arguments. Champions are meant to have different powerspikes throughout the game.

The first point is under the assumption that you are being countered, and they can't zone you. These are the arguments I've been making this whole time. We were never talking about an even lane, we were talking about a losing lane. If I was talking about a winning lane, then why would I be making this argument?

The second point is under the assumption that you play one out of the 100% of champions that at least have power spikes level 11 or before.

If I win lane and then get outplayed then yes I deserve to be even/start losing lane. If I'm winning lane and nothing changes then I should keep winning my lane. Learn your champion and learn matchups. There are very few true hard counters in league and most lanes can be won with a bit of fineness.

What did this even have to do with my last statement again?

Remember sums and important cds and outplay your opponent by waiting for them to make a mistake. That's how you come back from a losing lane.

Yeah but what if your opponent is not stupid?

I am Pacman1 votes

Your entire argument is based off the worst case scenario assumption. And yes every champ has powerspikes before level 11. We aren't talking big powerspikes here. We are talking lvl 1 and 2 jax beats darius in a 1v1 easy. then again usually at 6 if he can play it right. then again at trinity. These kinds of small powerspikes are knowing when and how to use them is how you beat counters and losing lanes.

My answer that you replied to with this:

What did this even have to do with my last statement again?

It has to do with your main point here:

Riot never implemented a system that you can come back from lane by yourself. You're powerless.

They HAVE implemented systems where you can come back but ultimately if you do everything perfect then you will never give your opponent a chance to come back from lane. That is how it should be as its based on skill.

Yeah but what if your opponent is not stupid?

Are you kidding me with this? Everyone makes mistakes. Unless you are playing in challenger most players make at least 3-4 game throwing mistakes a game and tons of mistakes in laning phase. All you have to be able to do is have the knowledge to recognize when and where they are making the mistakes.

This goes back to practice and maining a small pool of champs giving you lots of experience fighting a variety of champions thus refining when and where you should engage with your champion to win back the lane.

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