Can Volibear get a champion size increase?

PearPearadox··57 votes·3,011 views

It doesn't sound important, but it is. It's the psychological game. For example, a tristana tank with 3000 hp is not as scary as maybe a Sion with 3000 HP because the champion size gives a psychological effect, it's bigger so it appears more strong and we should run. It's wired into our brains, even if you're a challenger player, you still have your brain that will tell you that you probably shouldn't be near someone bigger than you. **(UPDATE: A lot of you guys are saying that Tristana would be scarier, however, the ones who think this and wish to go against me who desire to appear special and unique among the others, surely are wearing your baby britches, because you're acting too big for your britches. A strong midget will appear less scary than a weak giant is the lesson here)**Also, as a tank, it'd be easier to peel skillshots off of your carries because you have a bigger body, you can block more skillshots.

Also, the more champion size Voli gets, the more range on his e and the larger the fling he can produce with his Q, since he flips them behind him.

For a champion with 0 Instant gap closer that could be kited and peeled easily, I think he should be able to get more range on these abilities. I mean Singed can travel much faster than Volibear and his fling is at least twice as large and it does % Max health damage, and singed has a larger ranged slow and can cast it without being near them like Volibear has to.

https://www.google.com/search?q=polar+bear+size&oq=polar+bear+size&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.4664j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=polar+bear+height

It says here that male polar bears are supposed to be 7.9-9.8 ft. Volibear, standing on his hind legs, can be seen as equal in height with regular sized champions like Draven Orianna Ashe I'm pretty sure most of these people were not meant to be like 7.9-9.8 ft tall.

My intention isn't to buff Volibear, sorry if I misled you. I just really like bears and I want him to appear more fearsome and larger. It doesn't make sense how he can fear the red buff which is blatantly like twice his size. I just really like bears and I want to feel badass when playing Volibear , not undersized.

Update: Ok Mask off, this was secretly asking for buffs too, but that was not my intention when I started this post. When was the last time you saw someone play Volibear? Kind of like NEVER, right? Suggest buffs in the comments

Maybe we could buff the MS on his Q, or make the AOE on his E larger, and have both of those abilities scale with champion size please.

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JhomasTefferson11 votes

Make volibear great again

PearPearadox7 votes

Upvote for that username

morris19 votes

Galio :(

PearPearadox2 votes

Galio is MUCH bigger than Volibear. Also I doubt a Gargoyle should be larger than a damn Polar bear. A Polar bear is the largest land carnivore that's still non-extinct right now.

Mr Noggenfogger26 votes

It's not like galio is a giant statue or anything... Obviously a polar bear is bigger

PearPearadox1 votes

So upvote this thread to increase Volibear's champion size. You said it yourself, obviously a polar bear is bigger, however according to Riot, a stone Gargoyle is bigger.

Zero Skill Tank9 votes

How could you not read that sarcasm?

Galio's new lore says he is indeed a fucking giant statue.

PearPearadox7 votes

It's very easy to read sarcasm on the internet, you're right, I'm wrong, sorry.

morris17 votes
PearPearadox2 votes

Tbh you're kind of right, Galio should be sized at equal with Sion or Zac. But I think right now his size is not that bad.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Know your champions before agreeing with statements quick galio wiki and you could see

Supreme Senpai691 votes

I could be wrong but I'm 90% sure he was being sarcastic, further proving his own point that it's difficult to read sarcasm on the internet.

LordGeovanni1 votes

What he wrote is a statement not sarcasm. What Iron Revnant said is sarcasm because if you heard when galio got reworked you know his statement isnt literally true and there for sarcastic hence my statement to know what you are agreeing to before agreeing. If he was trying yo be sarcastic there that would have put him on the opposite side of his original post of wanting Volibear bigger.

Death by Glamour1 votes

Isn't he crushing a house with his tail on the splash art?

SwiftKitten885 votes

idk what your talking about... Volibear always scares the shit out of me..

Corrupto1231 votes

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idk what your talking about... Volibear always scares the shit out of me..

ikr jesus fucking christ feels like im gonna wet meself when a voli comes charging at me

nice table4 votes

volibear is indeed horrible right now but this would only make him worse not better, kind of like the ultimate "buff" we had a while ago.

PearPearadox1 votes

Volibear would gain a lot of things from this champion size increase

  • Increased E range, since the E surrounds his body
  • Increased Q flip range, since his Q flips them over his body
  • Better peel, can block projectiles better with larger body size.
nice table1 votes

volibears E range starts from the center of the model not the edge so no it wouldn't increase the range. what comes to the "better peel" you aren't trying to block skillshots for your carries as a volibear since enemies cannot ignore you with all the damage you do and usually are aiming for you not the enemies, also volibear offers very little crowdcontrol but a lot of damage so again he doesn't want to get hit by shit.

PearPearadox1 votes

Voli falls off late game my friend, he offersnot that much damage late game.

nice table2 votes

teach me about volibears strengths at different game stages please, didn't learn em in the 900 ish games i played him for. volibear deletes a carry with auto+q+titanic active+w late game which takes about a second or 2 to execute.

PearPearadox1 votes

Well, I've not played him that much, but I just recently started since I like bears and I think they're a cool animal. But anyways, if that's the case, then why is voli horrible and what buffs should we propose to Riot?

nice table2 votes

you can't buff him or low elos will be upset about getting stomped by him again which is what caused him to get gutted in the first place. also he will never be good at high elo due to his kit so yeah pretty much requires a rework.

PearPearadox1 votes

But his kit is actually fantastic right now, and sad to say I am bronze 3, and I stomp kids with the current Volibear pretty decently with a pretty good KDA every game.

His kit fits him well, he's a bear who harnesses lightning, and I think he just needs some buffs on his Q to make him move faster. I mean it's impossible for even Usain bolt to outrun a bear in real life, and it's hard to stop a bear's rampage because they do run at 25 miles per hour, and weigh 990 pounds, so I think he should gain more movement speed and tenacity on his Q. The tenacity will help a lot. https://www.google.com/search?q=bear+running+speed&oq=bear+running+speed&aqs=chrome.0.0l6.2840j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=bear+running+speed&oq=bear+running+speed&aqs=chrome.0.0l6.2840j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=polar+bear+size Don't forget Force = Mass X Acceleration, so it would be insanely hard to stop the force of the bear. He should gain tenacity then, right?

nice table2 votes

well yeah volibear is pretty good till plat 5 ish, after that if you manage to climb higher with him you must know a lot more about the game than everyone else at that elo which gets frustrating fairly quickly if you do.

he would have to be really fast for him to work at high elo since as of right now he can pretty much never gank mid or bot lane so his reduced to skirmishing, ganking top and fucking with the enemy jungler.

PearPearadox1 votes

So we should boost his Q speed and MOST OF ALL add tenacity to it, right?

Voli's Q gets slowed way too easily. You shouldn't be able to slow a damn bear because he steps on a tiny little firecracker that Ziggs put down or even because he walks on trundle's ice. He's a polar bear so he should be adjusted to walking on icy terrain, any slows on him shouldn't really affect him that much. So would adding tenacity and a little movement speed be better then?

Chembaron Yamada4 votes

You repeatedly try to apply real life logic to a fantasy game. That doesn't work out, arguments like "he is a polar bear, he should be bigger" or "something as massive as a polar bear shouldn't get slowed so easily" don't work.

Caitlyn has a passive that is called "headshot". A headshot would probably kill almost every champ in this game instantly if we apply real life logic.

I understand where you are coming from that you want Volibear buffed, but Volibear is on the tier 1 list for a VGU. His kit needs much more work than what you are asking for in this thread.

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

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Voli falls off late game my friend, he offersnot that much damage late game.

Well, Bite always hurts like hell, all game.

Skorch4 votes

Zilean Back in my day we never would let a bear into the league of legends.

PearPearadox2 votes

Volibear I have a special claw for you

LordGeovanni1 votes

An armored bear. Tibbers og.

DoktorKaiser3 votes

You stated that you are not asking for buffs, but honestly he needs buffs because curently he sucks massive balls, there is really 0 reason to pick Voli atm... Also I agree, make Voli huge :D

Jar Jar binks l2 votes

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You stated that you are not asking for buffs, but honestly he needs buffs because curently he sucks massive balls, there is really 0 reason to pick Voli atm... Also I agree, make Voli huge :D

he doesnt suck, he is unbelievable useless currenlty xD. He sucks very hard u mean

RFPSHBYQl71 votes

Remember that Malphite is even bigger than galio.(or atleast close to his size)

https://www.riotgames.com/sites/default/files/styles/half_media/public/new%20malphite.jpg?itok=RYg15CnB

PePsiLemoNN2 votes

For example, a tristana tank with 3000 hp is not as scary as maybe a Sion with 3000 HP

IDK maybe cause Trist is useless if she builds tank while sion has good damage and hp scaling on W :-?

PearPearadox1 votes

It's the psychological game we're talking about here. What'd be scarier, a 3000 hp tristana, or a 3000 hp tristana, who's as big as Cho'Gath?

Chembaron Yamada3 votes

The smaller one, because it is harder to hit her with skillshots.

PearPearadox2 votes

We're talking about the psychological game here. A strong midget is not as scary as a weak giant I'm trying to say.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

A Trist with 3k HP should honestly look scarier than a Sion, both because you know that Trist is not supposed to have 3k HP so how the hell did she get that (while Sion is), and because (usually) Trist has high DPS while Sion doesnt, so I would be more scared of Trist since I'd still expect her to have high DPS.

PearPearadox2 votes

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A Trist with 3k HP should honestly look scarier than a Sion, both because you know that Trist is not supposed to have 3k HP so how the hell did she get that (while Sion is), and because (usually) Trist has high DPS while Sion doesnt, so I would be more scared of Trist since I'd still expect her to have high DPS.

You know what I mean. Too big for your britches, are you? A strong midget will appear to be less scary than a weak giant. Some bears will run away from weaker people because they appear to be larger when they wave around their jacket to appear larger. King Cobras appear larger by rising and spreading out their hood, and it legitimately scares away predators. It's wired into our brain that larger will appear more scary. I'm talking about the psychological game here my friend.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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You know what I mean. Too big for your britches, are you? A strong midget will appear to be less scary than a weak giant. Some bears will run away from weaker people because they appear to be larger when they wave around their jacket to appear larger. King Cobras appear larger by rising and spreading out their hood, and it legitimately scares away predators. It's wired into our brain that larger will appear more scary. I'm talking about the psychological game here my friend.

Yeah but like compare a Riven with 3k HP to a Reksai with 5k, you know that Reksai's gonna get shredded but Riven will still oneshot you.

UnboundCreator1 votes

How is singed faster than voli?

PearPearadox1 votes

????????? Singed is much quicker, Voli only gets a lot of movement speed while moving towards targets, as it stands, Voli lacks the escape that singed has, the speed singed has, and the fling length singed has, as well as the slow radius/area that Singed has. Ok, say that we were to do an actual comparison.

Singed base MS is 345 + 45 with boots and dead man's plate would be 450 Voli has the exact same movement speed stats, so he's at 450 with dead man's plate as well.

When Voli moves towards a target, he will have 50% bonus movement speed, so 450 x 1.5 is 675 MS, and when he's not walking towards them, it's 450 x 1.25, which would be around 560 MS. This lasts ONLY 4 seconds.

When Singed ults, he will get 80 bonus movement speed, which is 530. After using Ghost, it's 530x1.45 Which is 768 MS

The Ghost will last 10 seconds, and the ult lasts for 25.

Not only is singed MUCH faster, but his speed is also more consistent. Also, people often buy swiftness boots on Singed, unlike Volibear, making singed able to go EVEN FASTER.

This is a team fight situation.

Keep in mind that Singed's dead man's plate will NEVER go down because his flip is not an auto attack like Volibear's.

Singed does everything Volibear does but better

UnboundCreator1 votes

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????????? Singed is much quicker, Voli only gets a lot of movement speed while moving towards targets, as it stands, Voli lacks the escape that singed has, the speed singed has, and the fling length singed has, as well as the slow radius/area that Singed has. Ok, say that we were to do an actual comparison.

Singed base MS is 345 + 45 with boots and dead man's plate would be 450 Voli has the exact same movement speed stats, so he's at 450 with dead man's plate as well.

When Voli moves towards a target, he will have 50% bonus movement speed, so 450 x 1.5 is 675 MS, and when he's not walking towards them, it's 450 x 1.25, which would be around 560 MS. This lasts ONLY 4 seconds.

When Singed ults, he will get 80 bonus movement speed, which is 530. After using Ghost, it's 530x1.45 Which is 768 MS

The Ghost will last 10 seconds, and the ult lasts for 25.

Not only is singed MUCH faster, but his speed is also more consistent. Also, people often buy swiftness boots on Singed, unlike Volibear, making singed able to go EVEN FASTER.

This is a team fight situation.

Keep in mind that Singed's dead man's plate will NEVER go down because his flip is not an auto attack like Volibear's.

Singed does everything Volibear does but better

Then take ghost on voli? Voli is still faster than singed. I could argue that caitlyn is faster than rammus by saying she has ghost mobis and 5 zeals

PearPearadox1 votes

Yeah, but Rammus usually builds movement speed, Caitlyn doesn't. Singed usually brings ghost, Volibear doesn't.

Also read the whole section where I talk about speed consistency, Singed is much faster in burst speed and average speed.

I'm arguing if Singed goes his normal build, not the ultimate bravery builds you're talking about. These are regular builds, every game scenarios, unlike the one you stated. If you just got shut down and don't want to respond due to embarrassment, that's alright, you don't have to.

UnboundCreator1 votes

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Yeah, but Rammus usually builds movement speed, Caitlyn doesn't. Singed usually brings ghost, Volibear doesn't.

Also read the whole section where I talk about speed consistency, Singed is much faster in burst speed and average speed.

I'm arguing if Singed goes his normal build, not the ultimate bravery builds you're talking about. These are regular builds, every game scenarios, unlike the one you stated. If you just got shut down and don't want to respond due to embarrassment, that's alright, you don't have to.

voli has flash, singed doesnt. kid take this L.

PearPearadox1 votes

Speed is MS, Flash is instant gap closer, the consistent MS will be better than an instant gap closer you can only use once per 1 or 2 team fights. You changed your argument from speed to ultimate bravery builds to having an instant gap closer. Make up your mind kid

UnboundCreator1 votes

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Speed is MS, Flash is instant gap closer, the consistent MS will be better than an instant gap closer you can only use once per 1 or 2 team fights. You changed your argument from speed to ultimate bravery builds to having an instant gap closer. Make up your mind kid

You need to calm down and grow up please. You have already lost the argument. Volis kit has more mobility and that is fact.

PearPearadox1 votes

You got 0 evidence to back it up. Kid, take this L.

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