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The Truer Evolution

RiotSolcrushed·8/15/2014, 5:03:12 AM·64 votes·82,429 views

VER1.1 as of 8/15

I will continue to edit the original post as I go on my diabolical quest of stringing you along with hints

Coming soon near you the Truest Evolution circa 2018.

Bad jokes aside, I'm here to start giving you guys some more info regarding the upcoming Viktor gameplay update.

AS ALWAYS THINGS CAN CHANGE IN DEVELOPMENT

The update will be focused on the passive, Q and R. With some of the augment effects changing.

You said a week ago that R was not going to be changed!

Yeah I lied. (We wanted to change the R originally but had trouble coming up with a good paradigm within our constraints, that has now been resolved)

So onwards,

Some of you may have seen the screenshot of the ultimate Hex Core I posted earlier, that is indeed the current passive direction.

Viktor will be able to upgrade his item 3198 Core multiple times, gaining stats and augmenting his abilities each time.

He will ultimately reach a point where he is able to augment ALL of his basic abilities, finishing his Glorious Evolution and acheiving perfection

The stats on the Core may change as we go through balancing, but we are very set on making this the single highest AP item in the game (excluding Deathcap, Seraph's, Mejai's passive effects ofc). The Hex Core is the source of Viktor's powers and it should feel POWERFUL

So we have Viktor's Q on live. It's a spell that is intended for Viktor to deal sustained damage while his big guns are on cooldown. Also helps him survive a little bit better with the shield and if you have the augment, opens up kiting and repositioning. But at the end of the day, it is not a really interesting spell. Especially if you don't augment it.

The weirdest part of Viktor's Q is that it is the shortest of his spells by a large margin. By the time you are using Q, your other spells are presumably on cooldown. So what are you getting the shield and speed boost for? "To run away" is a valid answer I guess, but having a spell that only works in a specific situation (and not being particularly powerful) is not ideal.

In lane you autoattack after you get the shield for marginal benefit, in teamfights they are worth even less. Well?

http://imgur.com/cvA11kd

(If you love the effects as much as I do please give a shoutout to the talented Riot Kesyerito! Yeah I know his naming skills are kinda suspect but the man knows his particles)

The initial Q will have higher range, but the benefits will be focused on the utility than the damage. As for the damage part? See the above image

Wait you want me to buy item 3100 on him?

It's a good thing the Hex Core has ridiculous amounts of AP no?

Oh btw, the Q augment is currently the same. It's the only one that has carried over atm.

171 Comments

lightdragoon888/15/2014, 5:38:05 AM43 votes

Viktor Ok..time for a role call. Battlecast Cho'gath?

Chogath Here

Viktor Battlecast Urgot?

Urgot Here

Viktor Battlecast Vel'koz?

Velkoz Here

Viktor Battlecast Skarner?

.........

Viktor Guess that is everyone.

Joebeezer8/15/2014, 9:23:34 AM8 votes

I've played a fair amount of Viktor games since his release, and I find his W E and R very rewarding and satisfying to use. I agree that his Q is lackluster, but his current ultimate just feels so good. I really hope the ultimate change is just tweaking it a little (i.e. making it able to go over walls or move faster in general) rather than completely scrap the concept entirely. The moment you get three or more people in your W as Viktor is great, but following that up with the cloud of death just makes it complete. That feeling along with using his unique laser mechanic is the essence of Viktor IMO. I would appreciate knowing which direction you are going to take Viktor's ult.

That being said I love that you guys want to rework Viktor's passive because right now I feel as though the death augment is the only worthwhile choice. Making it seem like the source of power for Viktor seems really cool. I recall a previous iteration of the Viktor rework that mistakenly made it onto the PBE. Every augment choice was similar to his current augments except much more powerful. What seemed like a pretty cool idea was that when each augment had a second tier to it that changed how Viktor's ult worked a little. One made the silence last longer, one made the burst damage higher, and the other made the DoT higher. I thought that was pretty cool, but I guess you guys want to move Viktor towards an "choose your own path to the Glorious Evolution" direction. Which is fine, but if you could tell me why you guys decided to not go through with this previous iteration of Viktor's kit, I would very much appreciate it.

Thanks for your time.

Sincerely,

Joebeezer

QuietWorld8/31/2014, 8:57:23 PM8 votes

I am yet another one of those Viktor mains...yes I know another Viktor main here...

I honestly believe his kit is pretty unique, especially the laser, his most iconic spell. However, without doubt he definitely needs his passive updated. Being able to upgrade hisitem 3200 to all 3 item 3198 item 3197 item 3196 is not a bad idea, but doesn't that simply seem like Khazix a little too much? Yes they both deal with evolution, however the concept behind them is completely different.Khazix deals with the crude, biological evolution while consuming his prey. Viktor is calculating, adapting to the situation so that he can become superior to any flesh being. Their concepts differ, so i believe their passives shouldn't be too similar either. I believe there should be differing item trees for each augment, enhancing their abilities to a singular role. This gives me a bigger feeling of "customizing and controlling" my evolution than just buying all 3 augments. It may be more work, but it's definitely worth it, and givingViktor more his flavour.

RiotSolcrushed8/16/2014, 3:55:11 AM6 votes

Edited the main post

Additi0nalPylons8/15/2014, 5:02:15 PM6 votes

Viktor main here. Yep, I'm gonna be that guy. I'm pretty worried about this rework honestly, partly because there's never been a rework of a chmapion I play that I ended up liking (Master Yi and Maokai come to mind).

I might be the only person in the world who likes Viktor's Q. People complain that the shield is slow. If you think this is the case you're not trading correctly with Viktor. I take Q at level 1 because it does more damage off the bat than the laser at lower mana cost and with higher reliability. I use move speed quints to help force trades, leading off with this spell and throwing out any autos and lasers that I can. If the enemy autos you back, the shield blocks it. I win trades vs almost everyone this way, including top lane bruiser's with hard engage because if they try to engage I can use my gravity field.

I do level the laser first, ofc and around level 5-7 I'm usually buying my augment death and transitioning to a harrass play style where I murder my opponent when they try to engage on me or I just engage on them once I've whittled them down. Side comment: I consider Viktor a hard counter to Lulu. She can't compete at all.

In team fights, a good gravity field, laser, ult combo wrecks teams. I regularly have the highest damage output in my games by a wide margin and usually end up being the target that the enemy team tries to dive.

I'm just a silver scrub, granted, but I love the current Viktor and I'm really worried that this rework is going to ruin him for me.

Ding an Sich8/15/2014, 5:46:05 AM6 votes

How does he feel if that's a reasonable question to ask?

When Viktor was originally released, I played him like a standard mage, and had some success. Although irksome initial issues like the laser's trigger range, smart cast with his laser, and the ult appeared, he had an alright or slightly annoying play style.

However, around 5-8 months after his release; I believe another Rioter mentioned top lane Viktor with the augment power, and I did actually fall in love with how that played out. Surviving in the early laning phase involved very fun poke or extensive clicking , and he items you would buy to essentially become a bruise made him feel alot more natural to me then playing with the other augments, or as a standard mage.

Now you already said while currently viable top, he may not be with his final interation, so I am just more concerned with how fluid or spontaneous his kit feels at this time.

The Anagram King8/15/2014, 5:18:40 AM5 votes

!!!!!!!!!

Heads up, Solcrushed, I'm linking the people frequenting true evolution thread in GD straight here - prepare for a steady influx of excited fanboyism over the next few days. :P

This sounds awesome, and I love the direction you're going. Multiple upgrades, (kind've) unrivalled itemisation. Thematically, this is just flat out awesome. I have a question, though:

Will Viktor's early-game augment purchases still allow him to spec himself towards supporting in bot lane or tanking out as a top-lane bruiser? Role switching, despite it not exactly being Viktor's strongest suit, is still a part of his identity; and it would be cool to be able to take on different roles + build accordingly.

buphmin8/16/2014, 3:09:56 PM5 votes

As a Plat level Viktor main, and I mean it, got at least 1000 total games on him, this is mixed news. Im worried he might be ruined, or his kit might be changed too drastically. In my mind Viktor is a mid game ap carry mage with good poke, and high burst. I dont think he really has mana problems, and he really doesnt fall off as hard as some people suggest. People forget his Laser augment gives a) 99 ap at level 18, and b) 30% more damage on his laser in the form of a dot for a 91% AP ratio on E. With a rylai, liandry build, your teamfight burst and cc is incredible. Basically I just hope the changes don't really change his gameplay patterns or go through an overbuff to overnerf.

Shrikesnest8/15/2014, 5:25:25 AM4 votes

The stats on the Core may change as we go through balancing, but we are very set on making this the single highest AP item in the game (excluding Deathcap and Seraph's passive effects ofc). The Hex Core is the source of Viktor's powers and it should feel POWERFUL

I'm all for this, but please tell me you don't include a full stacked item 3041 in that calculation? I think it would be great to make Viktor more viable, but over 200 AP on a single item seems like a lot.

Onegarion8/15/2014, 6:44:12 AM4 votes

Good to see some love to our Glorious Leader. Are you planning on bringing his mana into line like you ahve many other champions in recent QoL changes or is he going to still be plagued by mana problems?

My dream of jungle viktor may hang in the balance here.

ll blues ll8/15/2014, 7:01:37 AM4 votes

Can you give us any info on the changes to the ultimate? Anything at all? I'll repost my Reddit comment:

What a massive tease about the ultimate. I kinda don't care about what they do to Q, but I really wanna know exactly how they are changing the ult. I hope the silence stays since it's to me the defining feature providing utility in team fights, and shutting down people rushing you, Kats ulting, etc. It's just one of the most fun things about the champion when either one or multiple opponents are coming at you with their abilities ready and you interrupt everybody and mess up their timing.

Thanks from a Viktor main.

Viktor

Nine Ravens8/15/2014, 10:19:08 AM3 votes

In regards to the Hex Core upgrades, is the current plan that there is one version of the final augment that has multiple build paths that form it, or are there going to be different final augment choices with different effects as well? How many stages of upgrade are we looking at before we reach the final form?

nosafterburn8/15/2014, 6:49:38 AM3 votes

How can your name be Solcrushed when you make wonderfully informative posts like this. My inner-evolutionist is jumping for joy at this thread. Thanks a bunch.

MrKawaiiAsFck8/15/2014, 12:04:02 PM3 votes

So confirmed next ultimate skin will be for Viktor, seeing how he will have different transformations

Viktorious Alekt8/15/2014, 7:31:13 PM3 votes

Let's hope we don't see a 127 seconds* cooldown ultimate again.

CirujaFantastico8/26/2014, 2:16:36 AM3 votes

I really like the idea Aranium posted a while ago.

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=37668306#post37668306

The way Viktor is presented in his Champion Spotlight is actually as a "Mage, but the style of mage up to the player. Whether chosing a mid range tanky mage, a bursty damage dealer or a long range supporter, Viktor has a variety of tools to dismantle the competition".

The way proposed until now is actualy forcing the player to use his item slot (and pasive) to get an unwanted branch of Viktor habilities. If it is my desire to pick Death Argument as my first Argument and the enemy team is not clever enough to pick some defences... Why i am supposed to increase my utility or my speed? LET VIKTOR PUNISH THEIR INSOLENCE!

The way Aranium presented the Upgrades in his Hextech Core gives Viktor NEW TOOLS to achieve adaptability and new tools to fit the role the TEAM NEEDS. So instead of giving him only 1 posible outcome "Perfection", Viktor would have a powerfull adaptability with: Power 2.0, Death 2.0, Gravity 2.0, Power-Death, Power-Gravity, Death-Gravity.

AND as a grand finale: A CHAOS STORM AT LVL 16 THAT ACTUALLY FITS TO THE PLAYER GAMEPLAY! THE FINAL PAYOFF FOR REACHING LVL 16!

For instance:

  • Death Storm 2.0 (WHAT A NAME! I WOULD LIKE TO CAST THAT PIECE OF AWESOMENESS)

  • OR: POWER DEATH CHAOS STORM! A HEAVY METAL ULTIMATE ABILITY!

  • OR EVEN BETTER! GRAVITY CHAOS STORM OF DEATH! THAT IS FREAKING SCARY AS SHIT!

Just a thought. :) Peace.

HigeR8/15/2014, 5:13:43 AM2 votes

could you post said screenshot here? or say where we can find it? O.o I'm curious

BattlecastPeanut8/28/2014, 1:38:38 PM2 votes

sigh still 1.1

I really thought it was gonna be like a once a week kind of thing Viktor item 3070

Meep Man8/16/2014, 4:02:15 AM1 votes

I heard earlier that you guys are going to be putting in more crazy ideas on the PBE since patch 4.15 will be after Worlds. Does this mean things will be released earlier in concept and this could be released onto the PBE soon or does is this just an update to fuel our excitement and need for the EVOLUTION?