Please Un-rework Yorick!!

wyàtt··3 votes·1,316 views

Yorick in my opinion the new Yorick just isn't good in any team comps and can only be viable in one role. I played the only Yorick religiously and was able to play him in top, jg and mid. I actually enjoyed the old Yorick, and thought he was in a good place where he was, wasn't too OP and wasn't weak in any way. But now he isn't very good, and SUPER weak throughout the entire game. I asked the twitter support page and they recommended me to write on the boards and suggest it.

Hopefully y'all agree with this and Riot can atleast think about it and possibly even go thru with it. Yorick

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Kempachi Taichou3 votes

Shen first!

Zach Sandwhich2 votes

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Shen first!

But the Shen Rework is fine? Just made him more interactive in lane instead of the old non interactive Shen who just threw Q's All lane.

Sure spirit sword isn't the best mechanic by a LONG shot, but it's still more interactive than old Q.

LordGeovanni1 votes

all they had to do was increase shens q slightly while massively increaseing the heal duration and the cooldown ranged champions get spells to spam enemies out of lane all the time with multiple spells but the second one melee champion does it with nothing else to use in lane its uninteractive and needs a rework

Zach Sandwhich1 votes

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all they had to do was increase shens q slightly while massively increaseing the heal duration and the cooldown ranged champions get spells to spam enemies out of lane all the time with multiple spells but the second one melee champion does it with nothing else to use in lane its uninteractive and needs a rework

Since I don't think I can word this correctly, i'm just going to link a reddit post about the matter that I think sums up what i'm thinking.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shen/comments/5nlbj6/rant_stop_whining_about_the_shen_rework/?st=ixxn4csq&sh=95620ab7

LordGeovanni1 votes

shen lost too much of his original identity he got his sheild on his passive and lost sustain and damage at the same time and again sustain from his q. shen used to be able to mark a target and every one on his team would focus them that is gone also all for a sword that does little damage and does more damage and slows which you ideally want to use it for but cant unless you already used your e which either forces you to not do damage or waste the slow and his sheild needs to be either bigger for how long cd its on or shorter cd. previous shens problem wasnt actually that he was a problem rather that top ap items had too much health and cdr and utility. idk why ap items have as much health as tank items while still haveing good ap on them they either need to make hp so they get little amounts of health compared to tank items or rebuff tank items

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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Since I don't think I can word this correctly, i'm just going to link a reddit post about the matter that I think sums up what i'm thinking.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Shen/comments/5nlbj6/rant_stop_whining_about_the_shen_rework/?st=ixxn4csq&sh=95620ab7

Nah, Shen sucks hot dick right now in solo queue friend. He could be a better champion, but Riot would rather nerf something that isn't a problem in professional play (his ability to lane) instead of what his actual problem was (his global map presence).

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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all they had to do was increase shens q slightly while massively increaseing the heal duration and the cooldown ranged champions get spells to spam enemies out of lane all the time with multiple spells but the second one melee champion does it with nothing else to use in lane its uninteractive and needs a rework

You're delusional if you think Riot just wanted to buff Shen.

LordGeovanni1 votes

that would have been more of a rebalance of his strengths takeing away his q spam in lane while keeping his sustain tank supportive kit

LordGeovanni1 votes

riot never want to buff anyone melee who isnt a flashy assassin

TequilaZombie1 votes

Ex-Flashy Assassin player here. All I have to say is LOL

Big Lincoln3 votes

agreed

LordGeovanni2 votes

people who used to play him now cant play him and he didnt even get new players he is now truely dead (former yorick main)

ThugWalrus2 votes

Out of every rework they've done, Yorick is the one they would never revert. Riot deemed his old kit to be so anti-fun that he wasn't on free champ rotation for years

LordGeovanni1 votes

what was anti fun about his kit the negliable damage the 1 hit ghouls did after being summoned how w was a useless ability that was only used to have your passive be better. or that he could clone a champion for 40% of their dps if you both stayed in the fight and ignored them and that if you killed the champion they could come back for revenge thats exactly what zillean does except he denies you the gold to the kill (revenge is far more fair because even if they come back for revenge you already killed them and got something off of it

ThugWalrus2 votes

The anti-fun part of his kit was the point-and-click unavoidable harass that made him an insufferable lane bully.

LordGeovanni1 votes

Yorick had one point and click spells for harass that did medium damage but after it was going the ghoul didnt do much damage itself and could be one shot. yorick suffered when people actually fought him rather than when he used e they run away if when he used he you then killed then punished him for using his highest damage ability. lots of RANGED mages had point and click abilities with more damage lower cooldown and lower mana cost That was yorick only sustain ability it cost alot of mana and yorick didnt have a large mana pool. they gimped his sustain when they reworked him and gimped his damage they gimped his tankyness from his passive to even get any damage out of him your have to prep and ghouls to summon you have to summon at least 3 and if you want 4 you have to summon them all at once you can have up to 8 at once but summoning the maiden seems to kill the ones you already have out and when the maiden summons minions and you around you cant pass 4 and you cant farm q fast enough to summon more ghouls. because of damage creep and how range characters have the advantage because they can start attacking before you can reach them bruisers are all psuedo tanks to even surive long enough to reach range characters but you cant touch more than half of bruiser items or you will be building wrong and die because of it without doing anything

ThugWalrus1 votes

W + E were both essentially point and click, even though you could miss W technically, you'd have to be bad. And the ghouls did respectable damage IF the opponent did not back off. Thus, anyone who did not want to get poked out had to back off whenever you tossed down your E+W. I think you're very wrong about fighting Yorick after he uses his E (unless he was oom). Yorick was an extremely strong 1v1 champ in lane. If you have 2-3 ghouls wailing on you, Yorick sustaining with E, and him auto-resetting with Q, that's going to wreck you. Plus I don't know if you know what old Yorick's passive was, but it was essentially 15% damage reduction (20% if you had you're ult up), so I don't know how you think dueling him was a good idea.

Yes he had ridiculous mana costs, yes his damage was reduced, but anti-fun =/= god tier, that's what you're not getting. Urgot has an anti-fun kit even though he is bad.

I actually personally thought old Yorick wasn't too bad. I would always pick him into matchups I hated (specifically Fiora) and I would point-and-click people out of lane all day. I was like 8-0 with him until they reworked him and I lost a couple games. And these were low-Plat level games, not Bronze games . That's all anecdotal evidence though since he clearly wasn't that great overall, but in terms of shutting your lane opponent down, he was super annoying.

New Yorick is different, but that does not mean bad. He is a lot harder to use, but he does do more damage if used properly. He does do some things worse, but some things he does a lot better (like pushing for example, old Yorick couldn't push without using half his mana pool). He also is a lot more self-sufficient. He can catch people himself (old Yorick had to just run at people), he doesn't need someone useful to ult to have an impact in teamfights. a reduction of raw stats in exchange for utility and versatility is not always a bad thing and Yorick is a good example of that.

3TWarrior1 votes

actually, he may have only had one but he could easily push the opponent back because of the range of his W

and if he slowed the opponent with his W, he could then hit them with E for a total of 160 + AD% damage

and when he got his Q, things just got worse due to his high base stats and an auto attack reset

MatthewRT21 votes

Tbh the only thing i like about him is that model design but it would look better with his old colors. I played him as a support before the rework and had alot of fun doing so. Most people didn't know what he did so when i ulted the adc and they went ham just die and get a double i felt acomplished

Best Kog NA1 votes

Un-Un-rework Kog'Maw first!

Elisheva1 votes

I take him top, jg, sup, and mid if im adventurous. He's a very good champion, and can do whatever you are good at.

Shifue Draven1 votes

Honestly i played old yorick and i did like him but new yorick does very well actually once you start playing him. he can push lanes hard and can mess up laners if you land his combo. in team fights he kinda falls off but you can use the ghouls/lady of the mist to engage so your team can jump in or go trynd and split push like crazy(which he excels at).

jusho11 votes

you are the in the lowest end of ranked. its not the champ its you. i destroy and carry games with him

Oleandervine1 votes

New Yorick is infinitely better than the old one. On the old one, you face rolled when your cooldowns were done and then sat there and waited for laning to end. Once team fighting began, you face rolled, casted R on an ally, and again sat there.

New Yorick is much more interactive and he's much more of a overall threat to the map than the old one ever dreamed he could be. You actually have to manage minions with Q, and W and E can do sone major interference in team fights. And of course the Maiden is an unignorable threat to any lane. I cannot tell you how many times I've trapped someone in W, R'd, then E'd them and then clobbered them with a shovel. Yorick is powerful right now, and he's in a great spot. I'm glad that abomination that he once was is gone and replaced by the new kit.

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