she is not op but she is not balanced she is incredibly easy to shut down but it requires point and click cc which most just don't have but if you do shes screwed shes toxic her lane phase isn't as weak as they say and he team fight is ehhhhhhh lets just say i 1v4'd before i made this thread
bonfire102 votesA katarina main
Even if every game you've played on that account was on katarina, that wouldn't be enough games to make that claim valid.
Kat's laning phase is laughably awful to anyone who puts minor effort into learning the matchup. There's only a very small handful of champions who she goes even with or has a slight advantage against in lane, and most aren't picked in the current meta.
Her teamfight is only as good as her opponents are bad. She has shit early game and shit late game, so her only powerspike is in mid game. If her opponents try to force fights and overextend instead of playing safe and preventing her from snowballing, she's much less useful than any other assassin or AP carry. If they don't play safe, she's stronger than any other assassin or AP carry. That's pretty binary, but she used to be even more binary before she was considered over powered.
Her only strength is roam potential and excelling in small mid game skirmishes. Prevent these things and she's pretty awful.
theragingnerd2 votesEven if every game you've played on that account was on katarina, that wouldn't be enough games to make that claim valid.
Kat's laning phase is laughably awful to anyone who puts minor effort into learning the matchup. There's only a very small handful of champions who she goes even with or has a slight advantage against in lane, and most aren't picked in the current meta.
Her teamfight is only as good as her opponents are bad. She has shit early game and shit late game, so her only powerspike is in mid game. If her opponents try to force fights and overextend instead of playing safe and preventing her from snowballing, she's much less useful than any other assassin or AP carry. If they don't play safe, she's stronger than any other assassin or AP carry. That's pretty binary, but she used to be even more binary before she was considered over powered.
Her only strength is roam potential and excelling in small mid game skirmishes. Prevent these things and she's pretty awful.
sir you have never seen me play katarina she does have free harass and great roam is still a good part of her laning phase she requires decent skill idk why rank has anything to do with skill
bonfire101 votesshe requires decent skill idk why rank has anything to do with skill
This isn't a first person shooter, it's a strategy game. You can't just jump in and "have a knack" for the game and compete at a high level. Skill can carry over, specific knowledge doesn't. Strategy and experience are 90% of the game. If you've only won 400 games, you're not very experienced. Coupling that with the resulting rank supports that notion. I don't even care about rank either, but I care about exposure. You haven't played enough games as katarina or against good enough players to have an accurate account of her viability, strengths, and weaknesses.
I've played over 2000 games with katarina over the past 5 and a half years and had an 82% win rate with her in Diamond last season. I wouldn't consider myself good enough to have my opinions taken seriously by riot's balancing team, because I'm not narcissistic enough to think being slightly above average gives me any authority.
theragingnerd1 votesEven if every game you've played on that account was on katarina, that wouldn't be enough games to make that claim valid.
Kat's laning phase is laughably awful to anyone who puts minor effort into learning the matchup. There's only a very small handful of champions who she goes even with or has a slight advantage against in lane, and most aren't picked in the current meta.
Her teamfight is only as good as her opponents are bad. She has shit early game and shit late game, so her only powerspike is in mid game. If her opponents try to force fights and overextend instead of playing safe and preventing her from snowballing, she's much less useful than any other assassin or AP carry. If they don't play safe, she's stronger than any other assassin or AP carry. That's pretty binary, but she used to be even more binary before she was considered over powered.
Her only strength is roam potential and excelling in small mid game skirmishes. Prevent these things and she's pretty awful.
shes good at all points she can be countered in lane but still she can fk shit up lategame i swear i've solo carried more katarina games then i can remember
bonfire101 votesshes good at all points she can be countered in lane but still she can fk shit up lategame.
That's just factually incorrect
I swear i've solo carried more katarina games then i can remember
It doesn't matter if your opponents aren't experienced enough to know how to handle katarina. There's 0 chance of you having a tenth of that impact in a game over gold elo.
theragingnerd1 votesThat's just factually incorrect
It doesn't matter if your opponents aren't experienced enough to know how to handle katarina. There's 0 chance of you having a tenth of that impact in a game over gold elo.
really i don't think you under stand katarina
bonfire101 votesI've played more games as katarina than you've played games.
theragingnerd1 votesI've played more games as katarina than you've played games.
doesn't mean you can't be retarded ehh?
bonfire101 votesfite me m8 I'll rek u
theragingnerd1 votesfite me m8 I'll rek u
cum at me m9 i'll shrekt ur a55
Sir Yamazuki2 votesOver 200 games, only 6 are Kat, definitely a Kat main.
theragingnerd1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lord Yamazuki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VrOf24tA,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-06-09T22:15:16.010+0000)
Over 200 games, only 6 are Kat, definitely a Kat main.
oh btw this isn't my main account lol
Sir Yamazuki2 votesoh btw this isn't my main account lol
It is until shown otherwise.
Dracid2 votesill never understand the kat hate. I've never had a problem. People are just stupid and when picking their champs they don't counterpick. Enemy have a kat? Pick Alistar support or something so in teamfights shes useless
Kãtãrinã1 votesAnd you aren't a kat main and you are also bronze 4 which kat can faceroll let alone riven or any assassin and win there. Reguardless shes strong yes, easy yes but easily shut down as well so.
theragingnerd1 votes[{quoted}](name=Foxy FNAF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VrOf24tA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-06-09T18:55:57.202+0000)
And you aren't a kat main and you are also bronze 4 which kat can faceroll let alone riven or any assassin and win there. Reguardless shes strong yes, easy yes but easily shut down as well so.
yes but does that not make me a kat main? anyways i have beeen able too 1v4 its not that easy as people make it look you have to hope that no one can cc you alot of point a nd click faceroll champions like darius jax and others that have easy cc are here at this level so really not that much i actually play fizz more than i play kat so technicallly i don't main her but i do play her alot
ZileanUltJesusOP4 votesIf you are bronze 3 or below nothing you say about champions is relevant. I could probably go to bronze 4 and destroy with ap yasuo.
Trídent2 votesmana regen yasuo
ZileanUltJesusOP1 votes3op5me i start with athene's then buy tear then rod. Pentakills every game
Trídent2 votesomg wow tru faker omg am fan
theragingnerd2 votes[{quoted}](name=xBRUT4L LEG3CYx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VrOf24tA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-06-09T19:44:39.841+0000)
If you are bronze 3 or below nothing you say about champions is relevant. I could probably go to bronze 4 and destroy with ap yasuo.
i have a friend who legit mains adc ahri midand carries most of my games its funny as hell also i get potato teams :P
ZileanUltJesusOP1 votesfrom your profile it seems you are the potato. You average under 100 cs with just about every single champ you play, which is horrible. and you also average 9-11 deaths with most champs. Thats horrid. It doesnt matter if you are averaging 10 to 12 kills with a champ if you are feeding just as much and not csing at all. IT is better to go 5 and 2 then go 15 and 10
theragingnerd1 votes[{quoted}](name=xBRUT4L LEG3CYx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VrOf24tA,comment-id=00000000000000010000,timestamp=2015-06-09T20:08:09.497+0000)
from your profile it seems you are the potato. You average under 100 cs with just about every single champ you play, which is horrible. and you also average 9-11 deaths with most champs. Thats horrid. It doesnt matter if you are averaging 10 to 12 kills with a champ if you are feeding just as much and not csing at all. IT is better to go 5 and 2 then go 15 and 10
I AM NOT BUSH
Gaston du Coteau1 votesUh, what? There is no difference between anything in Bronze and barely any difference up to Silver. Destroying Silvers and Bronzies feels almost the same.
ZileanUltJesusOP1 votesIf you think that silver 1 and 2 is the same as bronze 5 and 4 then you are retarded sir, and for all i know you could be bronze and be spewing out your ass right now since your account is level 10.
Gaston du Coteau1 votesYeah what would be the point of that? Record your own games so one day if you somehow manage to stop being terrible and make it to Diamond+ you'll realize it really isn't much different to stomp Silver than it is to stomp Bronze. Making a division at Bronze 3 is hilarious. Like there's any difference between them and you, you're Silver 5, might as well be Bronze 3, that's a handful of games difference.
ZileanUltJesusOP1 votesyou sound so stupid lol. Yeah obviously diamond players see no difference between bronze and silver because they can absolutely stomp both. They probably could with gold too. Its like lebron james playing against a high school jv player and then a varsity player. Will he absolutely obliterate them both? yeah does that mean their skill is the same? no The varsity player could probably dominate the jv player. I have a bronze 5 account that i play with only my friends when messing around and i repeatedly destroy and from playing against s5 to s3 on my main i can tell you the skill difference is much higher in silver. Does that mean people in silver are good? no according to the league percentage you are average if you are in silver, gold is good, plat is great etc. The skill level is not the same or no one would be in bronze they would all just be in silver. By your logic silver 1 is basically the same as gold 5 or 4 because they are just a couple games apart.
Gaston du Coteau1 votesI just read the first line and the last to know you're not worth responding to so we're done here. And yes S1 is basically the same as G5 or 4.
ZileanUltJesusOP1 votesok all logic is out the window, I'm just gonna start telling people im Gold because its basically the same. My friend in D1 says he just gonna tell people hes challenger. Why not? they are basically the same. lol you are really stupid man
Kãtãrinã1 votesYou aren't a main unless shes your number one played champion, hence "main" champion. she isnt even in your top 3 mastered it seemed to me. That is all i was saying.
Knight SoIaire 1 votesdat feel when you blame him for being bronze ... while its the same in plat besides poeple just knowing what they need to do and strategizing for it ... just not having anything that can hit kat before she shumpos away, or not having a carry to follow up the cc due to him being dead
bonfire101 votesPlats don't define balance changes either believe it or not. Riot doesn't even care about most master tier players' opinions in relation to balance. A bronze player saying they have relevant balance information because they "main kat" when they've barely played the game is hard to take seriously. A plat player would be no different if they said the same thing.
Knight SoIaire 2 votesso riot ignores like 90% of the community ?
bonfire101 votesFor balance issues? Yes. If you don't want to play the game to the best of your ability, you can play it casually and be fine. But if you care about balance, you should be striving for the highest skilled play, which at this point, doesn't involve katarina in the slightest.
So if you're playing the game casually, you aren't playing optimally or taking the game seriously anyway, so why do you care about balance?
If you're playing to improve and compete, why are you complaining about a champion that has been shown to be sub par at a high level of play? Instead of working to improve yourself and grow as a player, you just whine for Riot to nerf them so you don't have to overcome an obstacle that better players have already overcome?
I don't see how either path ends with katarina needing anything but buffs balance-wise, and that comes from top level play.
EDIT: Especially considering Riot boasts for League of Legends being the biggest game in esports currently. Shouldn't an esports game be balanced around competition and not casual play? Imagine if the regulation height of basketball hoops was 5 feet so elementary school kids could more easily reach it? Why should the opinions of the casual community affect the competitive community, people who actually could win or lose money depending on the changes?
Knight SoIaire 1 votesranked is a widely accesible competetive mode
also when you say that professional scene doesnt involwe katarina it is also a problem that means riot should do something about it
pros dont want to play it then there is something wrong with the champpion either numbers or kit, but something makes the champion compete less than others or pay more than it should for what it competes
also casual scene in lol is barely existant even people who play normals are being taught that winning is their aim ... and losing is punished (basic example ip gains, champion mastery)
bonfire102 votesranked is a widely accesible competetive mode
If the playerbase saw it as that, they wouldn't be complaining about katarina being strong.
also when you say that professional scene doesnt involwe katarina it is also a problem that means riot should do something about it
pros dont want to play it then there is something wrong with the champpion either numbers or kit, but something makes the champion compete less than others or pay more than it should for what it competes
I agree. The problem is katarina is extremely unreliable and is easily shut down by safe play, hence the ridiculousness in the train of thought that she's overpowered.
also casual scene in lol is barely existant even people who play normals are being taught that winning is their aim ... and losing is punished
I'm likening soloqueue to casual play because people don't treat it like a competition. If anything, team ranked 5s could be considered as a competitive queue. But soloqueue is there because it has to be. MOBAs aren't meant to be played by 10 random people coming together with no gameplan or strategy, they're meant to be played by 2 coordinated teams of 5. The soloqueue option exists as a way for more people to experience the game when they don't have a full team to play with. It's a compromise that allows more people to experience the game while taking out an important aspect of the game, coordination. I would call that casual regardless of the skill level. Going back to the basketball analogy, it's like a pickup game with whoever happens to be on the court as opposed to a coached high school basketball team. The street players might be better than the high school players, but they're still playing casually while the high school players are playing competitively. The same can be said looking from soloqueue to ranked 5s/ professional teams.
jDVL20eCYs1 votesim gald riot nerf her. so i don't have to deal with katarinas in my tema that will most likely be useless
theragingnerd1 votes[{quoted}](name=ekko or feed,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VrOf24tA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-06-09T20:11:39.608+0000)
im gald riot nerf her. so i don't have to deal with katarinas in my tema that will most likely be useless
i'm not gald you didn't complete the 2nd grade
jDVL20eCYs1 voteswut?
theragingnerd1 votes[{quoted}](name=ekko or feed,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VrOf24tA,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-06-09T21:04:36.681+0000)
wut?
oh i forgot your a troll
jDVL20eCYs1 votesno
Seriphym1 votesI
am The Kat main.
I am not a great Kat main or even a good Kat main.
In fact I am barely above mud ranked if that but I can tell you..
There is no one who is more Kat Main than I.
I have good days where I slaughter everything.
I have bad games where I am nothing but food for the weak.
I would say Kat is actually pretty balanced. It is usually either complete feast or famine with her. I would say my win loss rate is somewhere around 40/60 perhaps 45/55 if I am lucky (plus or minus 5% due to my sucky average skill level). Kat requires a team after all and if her team does not help her (by intention or dumb luck) then Kat is nothing more than a free bag of gold waiting to be taken. If however her team does assist her (again intentional or not) she will smack the living crap out of you like one of those lovely "sisters" in catholic school just for "thinking" about making a mistake.
There may be more skilled Kats, there may be more effective Kats, there may be less intelligent Kats. But again I say...
There is no one who is more Kat Main than I.