All these AD items and champs getting love, while almost ALL of the AP items get less stats and higher costs. Like really, why is this? AD champs will just snowball and with the items, can snowball even harder. Can someone justify this?
TheSeltzerBaron18 votesIncreasing AP item costs almost 100% across the board is a lazy way of nerfing mages that doesn't involve individually tuning champions.
I usually have to wait until I get in a match to be pissed off but I didn't even log in yet and I'm already in a bad mood.
Helmight2 votesAP item costs only went up because global gold ALSO went up, and because Riot was doing some general tuning on gold efficiency. It wasn't intended to be a nerf whatsoever, and they've said they'll make further changes if things don't test well. To claim that Riot did it because they "hate mages" is willful ignorance at this point.
And where are you guys getting the claim that AP items are losing stats? Sure, Zhonyas/Seeker's lost armor, but that's likely part of the efficiency tuning or to balance the fact that armor penetration is much weaker now. Most of the AP items that had stat changes actually gained MORE power. Lich Bane got a free 20% CDR, Nashor's gives more AS, Rod of Ages gives more starting AP... should I continue?
euJHINius1 votesWhile their was an increase of global gold, it still doesn't help honestly. Also the items you mentioned are more niche for mages. Nashor's is only for auto-based mages, and only 2 usually build it. Lichbane isn't as niche, but only control mages will use it. Rod of Ages is only good for those that need late-game scaling and need more health stats. I like building it, but when I do, I know I am sacrificing a lot of burst.
I want more item diversity for AP items honestly. Like if you want Armor on your AP Champ, you have to get Zhonyas. Nothing else. I am fine with having a 35 AP item giving me 60 Armor, I just want a more diverse build.
Also, most mages reach their full potential late game. These new changes are pretty much designed to favor early game champs, and most mages aren't.
NotClarkolas1 votesIf you didnt even log in yet then how can you know that it's such a bad nerf?
WalkingInACircle6 votesActually playing 
has felt stronger than before the patch.
Elindis2 votesexactly, i main Vel'koz and he feels like god now compared to pre-patch
SoMNia5 votesMost of their stats have actually stayed the same, and a couple were even buffed. In fact, the only one that did get its stats nerfed was Seeker's Armguard/Zhonya's Hourglass. Yes, the cost went up. And everyone has more gold, so... The category of items that mostly had their stats nerfed and costs increased was actually AD items. Pretty much backwards from what you're saying here.
Solari Fortune3 votesMost of their stats have actually stayed the same, and a couple were even buffed. In fact, the only one that did get its stats nerfed was Seeker's Armguard/Zhonya's Hourglass. Yes, the cost went up. And everyone has more gold, so... The category of items that mostly had their stats nerfed and costs increased was actually AD items. Pretty much backwards from what you're saying here.
Finally someone else who understands that the amount of gold everyone got went up. People are complaining about AP item price changes when basically EVERY item went up in price
Frigid Ice Storm3 votesCause AP people had their time in Season 5 with all the buffs to Rylai's scepter, Liandry's, Rabaddon's, now its time for us AD folks to have some fun and fk you little mages up :D
I remember when a Veigar ulted me and one shot me then said " get good noob". Now I'll have death's dance and be able to survive that while healing up 300 per hit :)
Nerf3d15 votesBut can you really think of an AP champ that was so overpowered at the end of season five that it would warrant universal nerfs to every AP champ? I mean, it's not like there are any ad champs that were op last season (*cough 
*cough)
And using Veigar as an example of an AP champ is sort of unfair, considering that his entire kit is based off one shotting the opponent.
hobomann22 votesBut can you really think of an AP champ that was so overpowered at the end of season five that it would warrant universal nerfs to every AP champ? I mean, it's not like there are any ad champs that were op last season (*cough
And using Veigar as an example of an AP champ is sort of unfair, considering that his entire kit is based off one shotting the opponent.
yes. AP champions rose to the dizzying heights of barely hanging in there, expect for 1 or 2 out-liers
P0IS0N IVY3 votesThe AP Mage meta was not even close to what Riot has done with this patch.
Kaipop2 votesHad their time? You realize adc has been a mandatory role since the start of lol
CrazedPorcupine3 votesHonestly, i haven't really seen a decrease in AP champions.
Elindis3 votesSome mages are stronger than ever, it's just people like you unwilling to adapt and you are still playing with season 5 mindset.
Meserion3 votesMages as a whole have never been op or 'meta'. They have had a role to play, to be sure; they had heavy crowd control with very high burst. That was what they where for mostly. With a few exceptions like 
and 
and most mages have been pretty balanced with clearly definied weaknesses.
Yes you could focus them down and YES they would die, not teleport away (unless you where Kassadin) with some tp bullcrap. Mages where balanced mostly in s5, why would they screw up what some might call a perfect balance for mages?
A Miss Fortune2 votesI don't understand why people are saying AP champions are useless now, like Mages. Sure a lot of them have always been outclassed but not all Mages are useless. Some like Xerath can still abuse having very high range that makes them difficult for even AD champions like Caitlyn to handle, and champions like Twisted Fate have more CC than most AD champions I can think of, there's also AP champions like Lulu and Orianna who have more utility than any AD assassin, marksman, bruiser, etc in the game that will always be viable.
I don't think that all AP champions are strong or viable but I do think a lot of them are just fine, though I think nerfing all AP items was a stupid idea and seemed really random.
CoolKnightST2 votesI can understand in what direction riot wants to go with mages. The problem was before that mages ramped up in damage to quickly while still providing a lot of utility. It wasn't really logical that burst damage would outdamage sustain damage in the lategame. This is what actualy is nerfed:
This is the reason why you suddenly see poke mages like 
& 
again. They basicly shift the meta with this change. What they buffed is another story:
Ralanr2 votes[slayer-jinx-unamused]
No. No I'm done. Fuck this.
Does it suck that all the AP items got their increase price? Yes. Does it suck that mana pot removal hurt mages? Yes. Do these new masteries have problems with mages? Honestly I think people are just too used to 21/9 masteries that they're bitching too much about the change.
You know what this game has? A LOT OF GOOD AP ITEMS. You got ways to bypass base resistance 
. Ways to build armor and AP 
, ways to build MR and AP 
, ways to increase your mana pool by spamming spells 
and a not shit item that works well based on your mana 
. And also 
because who doesn't want 35% more AP?
You know what AD had? DAMAGE. Attack speed, crit, straight damage, thats all they fucking had. ADC weren't suppose to build ARMOR because of all the FUCKING damage they needed to get to be relevant. Let them have their moment.
And for the record, this is temporary. Stop treating it like it is a goddamn permanent thing. Mages will be buffed (Though really they aren't nerfed, just indirectly opposed by AD) and they will get nice things.
I need to get off these forums. You all make me want to kick a poro. I probably wouldn't though, just kick the asshole next to it. Which is probably me.
Weasel Kensei1 votes[slayer-jinx-unamused]
No. No I'm done. Fuck this.
Does it suck that all the AP items got their increase price?
Ways to build armor and AP
Dosnt give AP anymore, only CD reduction, armor, mana, and spellblade effect. So with the increased cost on AP items, we also go AP item AP deletion.... FYI.
I think some people are blowing it out of perpotrion yes, but that Iceborn Gauntlet oversight on your part means that maybe you havent looked into the issue as much as you think, and instead of kicking assholes, maybe you should stop talking out of yours... Not that you didnt make some good points in your post, but if you played an AP champ that builds recently, you would have noticed, it isnt an AP item anymore... which tells me you dont play some of the champs affected by this as much.
Some of AP itemization rebalance is just a wee bit harsh but some of it was ok. WOTA got a price reduction, which is nice, it was under utilized. Its like super efficient now, more gold in the game, and a cheaper 80 AP item with CD reduction, and spellvamp. Now people can rush 
for mana and HP sustain, get 30% cd reduction, and do it in a reasonable time frame.
Ralanr1 votesMy bad on iceborn gauntlet. I'm more so focusing on the things they've had in the past.
lxlLilybellelxl1 votesLast season they nerfed mana regen, ninja nerfs all season to champs 
, and now preseason... more nerfs fuk ur mana problemz lol.
Hard Penetrator1 votesJust few months ago Riot heavily buffed most ap champions with better build path and utility. APC haven't had longer period of weaknesses than maybe Kha/Zed mid times (for a different reason than them being weak anyway).
I don't know about apc, but Riot for sure don't love long time players. Things they come up with this preseason are straight up terrible aside of few minor changes they could easily patch.
IAMS4T4N1 votesare you kidding me? mages have been getting buffs all of season 5. maybe the ap item nerfs are a bit much but riot does not hate mages lol
IG zzzdarazzz 1 votesthe new item change. crit for day. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] I LIKE IT.
D2Vincent1 votesI feel like Riot hates Karthus especially because he hasn't gotten any changes since a couple of bugfixes and a chroma pack, and that was a few months ago :(
GIVE THE LICH SOME LOVE PLEASE 
Weasel Kensei1 votesAt some point people have to realize that the balance team probably plays this game, and like everyone has biased.
They may not have an all encompasing desire for ALL THINGS to be equal.
Its entirely possible that they have a majority that sees things one way, and favors certain playstyles and champ types.
If you worked on the balance team, whould you "balance" your favorite champ just based on some numbers from the system? Especialy if you were one of the people who gave input on a rework on that champ? Maybe you would... Can you have that much faith in everyone?
This is what "Riot" wants for the game, or at least the people who "balance" the game as it is right now, and I can only assume that the people will have to change that "balance" the game before the gamescape changes.
*EDIT: Also another thing Iv mentioned before, flavor of the month champs bring in money from people who spend RP to get champs and skins for FOTM champs.... So, Riot buffed AD to sell AD champs, and skins, because people must have been buying AP champs and skins... then then slowdown, time to bring in the cash with a FOTM refocus.
Simple economics really.
LordGeovanni1 votesnot as much as they hate tanks and fighters
CasterGilgamesh1 votesriot hates support the most actually.
