Should Riot remove surrender button?

Spyroripto·Mar 17, 2016·5 votes·1,085 views

So, I just played a game and we were ahead when we had 2 bad teamfight. Only 2 kills differential and not a significant gold lead for any team. All of sudden, my whole team decided to surrender, because of the 2 last teamfight.

I played other MOBA where there is NO surrender option, and I could see the difference. People aren't giving up ( beacause they simply can't ) and if they are, they are getting reported and granted a warning or ban ( if it happens often ).

Well, I only want people opinion about it. Do you think the game would be better without a surrender option?

23 Comments

The BrometheusMar 17, 20163 votes

You ever been stomped in a game of dota2? I don't mean "we made some bad calls" stomped, I mean every single person on the enemy team is miles better than the best person on your team.

If you're unlucky, and the opponents are dicks, they'll just farm kills.

For. An. Hour.

An hour of knowing damn well that you can't win, and that if you leave, you'll get stuck in low priority.

Surrender stays.

Valderis VandalaMar 17, 20161 votes

LoL isn't dota2, it does not have the same gold loss mechanics that allows a superior team to keep the other team in the gutter for as long as they want.

LoL is based more around making comebacks possible, so the longer the enemy toys with you the better of a chance you have at beating them.

The risk of being toyed with and bullied by a more powerful enemy team is in itself enough of a good argument for having a surrender option, by comparing it with dota2 you diminish your own argument because the games are just too different in this aspect.

HooksusMar 17, 20163 votes

No way. The surrender option is viable and until Riot has a way to combat dc's, rage quits, and afks like other Mobas do, (Dota allowing ppl to leave game without penalty), surrendering is the best option.

peaches771Mar 17, 20162 votes

No way.

SpyroriptoMar 17, 20162 votes

Why not? explain your point.

The Queen ViperMar 17, 20162 votes

lulz... people like you have no clue about game design, so please stop.

If anything, we should be able to surrender at the start of the game.

Not being able to surrender would only increase toxicity and at the end of the day it would still be useless. Why? Because people still can choose not to play and group.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UfO7qOHx5M

NoPaxtMar 17, 20162 votes

In normal mode, surrender should be an option, but not until 30 minutes. People need to learn to play with adversity.

In ranked, surrender should be removed. The surrender option increases the number of games a bad player can influence. Removing surrender from ranked would likely discourage unskilled players from participating in ranked games since they would have to finish the game.

Also being reported for being an unskilled player needs to return to ranked games to balance this out. Change the system so that an unskilled player can get banned from ranked games only but still play unranked games. (It's the only way they'll improve.) 1st ban must win 5 unranked games in Summoner's Rift 2nd ban must win 8 unranked games in Summoner's Rift 3rd+ ban must win 10 unranked games in Summoner's Rift

The Queen ViperMar 17, 20161 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Removing surrender doesn't solve anything.

Also playing badly is not a punishable offense, and you can't possibly know if someone is unskilled based on that one particular game you had to play with them.

I bet you are toxic as fuk.

If anything, YOU should be banned for being unskilled Bronzie 4, 0 LP. How ironic.

NoPaxtMar 17, 20161 votes

Just like AFKs and disconnects RIOT shouldn't ban for a one time offense, it would take several games for this to happen.

Dis you read my follow up? Players wouldn't get banned from playing just playing ranked games until they met a certain threshold of wins. Being bronze IV has nothing to do with this opinion, if that's your argument against my idea, then you need to take a debate class and learn how to make a valid point.

My toxicity extends to the idea that I NEVER surrender. I play the game out, if you think that's toxic then so be it. Beyond that, I don't do anything wrong behaviorally. I don't scold feeders or yell at other lanes. I stay positive and try to win every game... because guess what? Every game is winnable as long as you don't give up!

The Queen ViperMar 17, 20161 votes

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Just like AFKs and disconnects RIOT shouldn't ban for a one time offense, it would take several games for this to happen.

Well, RIOT could start with you and ban all the bronzies from ranked since you people never seem to learn how to play this game properly.

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Being bronze IV has nothing to do with this opinion, if that's your argument against my idea, then you need to take a debate class and learn how to make a valid point.

You really don't see the irony in your comment? That you essentially want unskilled players to be banned after X period of time while you have been a bronzie for 2 consecutive seasons...

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My toxicity extends to the idea that I NEVER surrender. I play the game out, if you think that's toxic then so be it.

Actually it is toxic, since you are trying to force other players to play a game with you while they do not want to. You are trying to keep them as hostage. You need to learn when a game is lost and when it is not.

"Never surrender" mentality is retarded, and definitely toxic.

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Every game is winnable as long as you don't give up!

Wrong. Not every game is winnable.

Well granted, in the noobie land that's bronze... who knows. However when people know how to play, making "comebacks" just ain't gonna happen unless you have a specific team comp for that.

NoPaxtMar 17, 20162 votes

You confuse inexperience with skill.... you are too sad.

The Queen ViperMar 17, 20161 votes

Experience is the thing that makes you skilled in this game.

While inexperience makes you unskilled. Simple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccU4y15XQ9Y

HooksusMar 17, 20162 votes

One, he's paired with Bronze players in ranked, so all players should be around the same skill level. Two, not all games are winnable, but a vast majority that are surrendered can be won. As for toxic, Well, you're about as toxic as Singed's poison man.

LylessMar 18, 20161 votes

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Well, RIOT could start with you and ban all the bronzies from ranked since you people never seem to learn how to play this game properly.

You really don't see the irony in your comment? That you essentially want unskilled players to be banned after X period of time while you have been a bronzie for 2 consecutive seasons...

Actually it is toxic, since you are trying to force other players to play a game with you while they do not want to. You are trying to keep them as hostage. You need to learn when a game is lost and when it is not.

"Never surrender" mentality is retarded, and definitely toxic.

Wrong. Not every game is winnable.

Well granted, in the noobie land that's bronze... who knows. However when people know how to play, making "comebacks" just ain't gonna happen unless you have a specific team comp for that.

combacks are rare. Even in Bronze.

peaches771Mar 17, 20161 votes

Say you're in a 5v5 and the game is obviously one sided because the other team is fed. I'm not going to waste any more time playing it when we're getting slaughtered and there's no hope. That game ending you experienced is pretty uncommon.... there must have been a reason behind it or the players just did not want to play anymore.

And for the games where there's someone AFK or feeding.... you can figure that out.

SpyroriptoMar 17, 20162 votes

Do you think the surrender should be available after a certain difference of Gold beetween the teams then?

peaches771Mar 17, 20161 votes

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Do you think the surrender should be available after a certain difference of Gold beetween the teams then?

Surrender should always be available. It takes 4/5 vote to surrender, and 99% of the time players don't surrender just because of a slight gold advantage.

SpyroriptoMar 17, 20161 votes

I'd like to see your source. I've seen a lot of player surrending because their own game wasn't going well.

ElwynnMar 17, 20161 votes

Sure but allow people to leave without penalty after 20minutes. Sorry but not everyone has that "nuvuuruuu surrendurrr" mentality. Its a game and if theres no enjoyment because you're getting stomped and your team agrees to surrender I dont see the problem with it.

SpyroriptoMar 17, 20162 votes

I understand your point. I just think the surrender button is too " easy " to use. Maybe Riot could active the surrender option if the Gold differential is too big?

Valderis VandalaMar 17, 20161 votes

I wish they would remove the surrender option.

The only times I've seen it used was when we still stood a chance of winning or when the enemy was already bringing down our nexus anyway so it didn't even save time.

EDIT: I forgot, I've also seen troll surrenders when you are beating down on the enemy nexus and suddenly someone on your team wants to surrender.

PhenyxsMar 17, 20161 votes

Remove the surrender option.

EcchiOtakuTMMar 18, 20161 votes

They actually need other surrender conditions imo: If either 20 minute, Gold difference, Level difference, 1 player left for too long, and an inhibitor was destroyed is fulfilled you may surrender(Allowing surrenders for reasonable reasons)

Although after this if they were to add those other surrender conditions, I feel that the 20 minute one would not be needed anymore :O

I've had that surrender idea for number 22 for a long time here: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/yYBm9rXq-i-honestly-love-the-changes-placed-in-however-i-as-well-as-many-have-a-few-suggestions

But after reading this I'm really wondering how the game would be with more surrender options but the time requirement removed.