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DaxD0w··2 votes·425 views

I seriously need some tips to climb. Before we dive right in why, I will narrate one of my games.

So, right before a teamfight, I say VERY CLEARLY "Go in when I ult. Since they're crowding up on each other, I think they will get caught by my ult. (I was playing fizz btw)" Couple of my teammates say "alright, sure. I agree on that." So, I ult, I go in. I pinged TWICE also. But you know what my team does? Back off. They just let me die. My prediction was true also. They crowded up on my ult, and they got caught in it. I picked off one, while the remaining four was about 75% ish health. THEN, my team decides to go in, and dies. I said to my team "What happened?" One of my team goes, "Sorry, I thought we wouldn't had that." Now, you might complain in the comments "PEOPLE HAVE CHOICES YOU RETARD!!!" Well, when Xayah, Lee Sin, and Fiora used their ult, I would think we had it for sure. On our side, we had blitz, mf, and kled had ult. So, now you know why I need tips how to climb.

23 Comments

MysterQ1 votes

Just keep playing. Find a good partner(s). Also post your rank and goal.

But from what I have read. Why the hell are you diving into a 5-man as Fizz. That is your mistake. It may work but that isn't what an assassin normally does. You should stay in the wings and try to find that high value carry to kill off. You might have, you said you got one. But going 1for1 is bad, you should always hope to get out. The fact that your team lost the 4v4 also means your target might not have been the highest value afterall.

Additionally you had a BLITZ on your team. Let him start the engage. You had a Lee Sin on your team. Let him try to kick an engage maybe.

Sure you can engage. But you guys have no tank, why are you diving into a 5-man.

DaxD0w1 votes

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Just keep playing. Find a good partner(s). Also post your rank and goal.

But from what I have read. Why the hell are you diving into a 5-man as Fizz. That is your mistake. It may work but that isn't what an assassin normally does. You should stay in the wings and try to find that high value carry to kill off. You might have, you said you got one. But going 1for1 is bad, you should always hope to get out. The fact that your team lost the 4v4 also means your target might not have been the highest value afterall.

Additionally you had a BLITZ on your team. Let him start the engage. You had a Lee Sin on your team. Let him try to kick an engage maybe.

Sure you can engage. But you guys have no tank, why are you diving into a 5-man.

We had Kled and Blitz as tank?

MysterQ2 votes

Neither are tanks at all. And the tanks go in first, but you did instead so you weren't playing like them as tanks. And you didn't have a good group ability either. So you Ult them all up very temporarily... then what is the follow up? MAYBE Xayah Ult into an awesome root. Otherwise your team is not designed to deal massive damage in an area.

DaxD0w1 votes

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Neither are tanks at all. And the tanks go in first, but you did instead so you weren't playing like them as tanks. And you didn't have a good group ability either. So you Ult them all up very temporarily... then what is the follow up? MAYBE Xayah Ult into an awesome root. Otherwise your team is not designed to deal massive damage in an area.

So what you're basically saying here is, don't trust your team. Since they will 99% never follow-up. The plan was to: I ult, then tanks follow up then we go. It went full 180 degrees.

MysterQ2 votes

Stop turning this around.

Do you want actual feedback or not. I am totally sympathetic to anyone who wants to vent. But you asked for feedback, so I am trying to help. Instead you just keep making excuses.

It had nothing to do with your team. Your plan was terrible. FIZZ jumped into 5 MEN just because he had his Ult. You had a Blitz to engage for you, why do you feel the need to force the fight. I don't know who you killed. But your team also lost the 4v4, showing your plan to teamfight just wasn't that great anyways.

Numbers alone won't ever tell the whole story. But Kled 39 CS at end game. vs Fiora 153 CS. Level 15 vs Level 18. You will lose that fight every time. Now I am not saying blame your team. But look at your teammates mistakes also (in addition to your own). At 39 CS your team has a problem. And the answer is you avoid Fiora everytime unless it is 3v1.

Levels can mislead when the game is over. But level 18, 17, 17, 15, 15 vs 16, 15, 15, 15, 15. Levels are a huge advantage in this game. Don't ignore levels. There isn't much you can do besides farm up. But at 16 you can level up your ult again. And each level is considered at least ~500 gold worth. So you were easily fighting half an item down.

Not sure why you chose Protobelt that game over Zhonya.

DaxD0w1 votes

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Stop turning this around.

Do you want actual feedback or not. I am totally sympathetic to anyone who wants to vent. But you asked for feedback, so I am trying to help. Instead you just keep making excuses.

It had nothing to do with your team. Your plan was terrible. FIZZ jumped into 5 MEN just because he had his Ult. You had a Blitz to engage for you, why do you feel the need to force the fight. I don't know who you killed. But your team also lost the 4v4, showing your plan to teamfight just wasn't that great anyways.

Yes, i'll take actual feedback. I'm also not turning this around either. Nor making excuses. You just had to be in my shoes and experienced this. You would probably had made the same decision. My plan was terrible huh? This plan would have worked, I'm 100% confident about it. Yes I jumped into 5 MEN because nobody was following up and I could probably get picks off for a good trade. (Don't mention saying "It was your idea to go and die. Why do you blame your team for your actions?) Also, I just checked your account. I wouldn't want someone to "criticize" my actions.

MysterQ1 votes
  1. I don't know what you mean by that comment at the end.
  2. I am no god, but I am much higher ranked than you. And I have a positive WR. At least in Flex.
  3. Advice can be given at every level. True you may not value everyone's advice equally though.

I have never said your idea was to go and die. I am not insulting you as a player or your play. I was telling you to not make excuses, but that isn't an insult.

I was not in the situation. But your team was behind by stats (fed Fiora, fed Lee Sin). You didn't have a teamfight comp (Kled, KhaZik are not teamfighters). You still literally had no tank (Blitz did build tank but isn't made to go in 1v5). Maybe it was your last stand. Maybe you had no other choice if they were constantly sieging you. But you are sitting here saying "I have a good idea. But I lost because my team." Then you are asking for help and ignoring that going into a 1v5 is not usually a good idea.

Even if we ignore that questionable play. Focus on your CS. Focus on farming xp. Level 18 is an advantage. Why did you build protobelt that game, when you normally don't even build it. Why do you have the BISCUIT mastery. You never bought a control ward (important but not as important).

I haven't seen your play directly. You had the most kills on your team. You have won games before. But you just have to keep working obviously.

420 grams1 votes

Your cs is super garbage. Like usually bronze 5 is 4 a min, yours is 2. That's so bad. That's only like 40 gold a minute when it should be AT LEAST 6 cs a min. That's your primary gold source so it really shouldn't be neglected. 17 cs is equal to about 1 full worth kill (kills are worth less the more they die in a row)

DaxD0w1 votes

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Your cs is super garbage. Like usually bronze 5 is 4 a min, yours is 2. That's so bad. That's only like 40 gold a minute when it should be AT LEAST 6 cs a min. That's your primary gold source so it really shouldn't be neglected. 17 cs is equal to about 1 full worth kill (kills are worth less the more they die in a row)

Ok thanks! I try csing but I get distracted by other things which kind of force me to go and help.

MysterQ1 votes

Its an excuse.

Mig891 votes

Harsh but true^ CS is huge for laners and junglers. Think of getting kills and CS only to help CS better and take objectives. Obviously fizz doesnt have much tower shred so clearing waves is important. Knowing what items will cause which ability to one shot different minions is important. Being able to quickly clear waves without much thought it important. Another piece of advise is play carry champs all the time in bronze/silver. Im a support main and play almost exclusively zyra/brand unless im playing with friends. I focus on not dying and thats about it. Ill let the adc go ham and stand there when hes dead and soak up exp because with a carry support, levels win fights more than the dumb adc who doesnt know how to position. Do not forget that a level advantage is worth about 1000g worth of stats. Staying even in levels is better than dying for a little cs. You will never win every game. Focus on the big picture and correct mistakes in your gameplay. Ive climbed out of bronze playing only support my first two seasons now so its not impossible.

DaxD0w1 votes

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Harsh but true^ CS is huge for laners and junglers. Think of getting kills and CS only to help CS better and take objectives. Obviously fizz doesnt have much tower shred so clearing waves is important. Knowing what items will cause which ability to one shot different minions is important. Being able to quickly clear waves without much thought it important. Another piece of advise is play carry champs all the time in bronze/silver. Im a support main and play almost exclusively zyra/brand unless im playing with friends. I focus on not dying and thats about it. Ill let the adc go ham and stand there when hes dead and soak up exp because with a carry support, levels win fights more than the dumb adc who doesnt know how to position. Do not forget that a level advantage is worth about 1000g worth of stats. Staying even in levels is better than dying for a little cs. You will never win every game. Focus on the big picture and correct mistakes in your gameplay. Ive climbed out of bronze playing only support my first two seasons now so its not impossible.

Thanks for tips. Yes I acknowledge that I won't win every game, but I hardly win any because of my team. I focus on getting cs and objectives and other things, but when someone is fed if not basically all, then they "shutdown" the lane which means I can't cs and get objectives. I hear that you should focus on your play, but when the entire team feeds, it's almost impossible, and it becomes priority. I can't get around this situation. That is my problem. Also, I can't understand how the enemy team for some reason is so well coordinated but we aren't. They have everything planned but we don't. I give "orders" on what we should do and why, and what it could do for our team. But they just never listen.

Edit: Rip. 1 game with a guy who has 1000 ping Another game with thresh who ints and team never listens

k wìx1 votes

Hey there - Gold/Platinum/Diamond support main here - I'll offer you 4 pieces of advice: Goodluck!

1.) If your playing any sort've assassin, you should really try to let the tanks initiate. Remember that you are always a target. Going in first is dangerous, even if your as slippery as Fizz. Based on your above scenario, I believe you could use help with positioning. This is a critical lesson. I have a goal for you - Attempt to die less. specifically,** try to die no more than 5 times per game**. I want you to look at my deaths in my match history, then look at yours. One of the biggest things that separate platinum and above players from the rest is that they have figured out how much a death really costs them. In short; you are dying way to much.

2.) I'd suggest picking a favorite 'in-meta' champion and trying to master them exclusively. It allows you to focus on other aspects of the game, and you'll learn how to overcome the champions shortcomings by beating bad matchups. When you get comfy with a given champion, you can start focusing on all other aspects of the game like enemy champions, who is fed, who is weak, warding, objectives, CSing, ect ect.

3.) Focus on YOUR OWN PLAY. Have an internal goal each game - and it can't be 'I want to win' ..It needs to revolve around your own play - like 'I want to die less than 5 times' is a perfect goal! or 'I want to have item X by 15 minutes' is another great goal. If you only focus on if you win or lose, you will burn yourself out and become frustrated. Each game, play to YOUR OWN PERSONAL BEST. Did you win? who the phreak cares - how many ultimates did you land? Focusing on the details is what will make you a better player, especially over the longer term. If you played your absolute best and still lost, then you probably had an awesome game - and ultimately - that's what it's all about.

4.) You seem to like the diver assassin archetype here, so my final piece of advice is to be more mindful of objectives, rather than kills. Pushing is your ultimate goal. Getting fed is great, and that will DEFINITELY let you carry and win games, but too often these types of players get carried away, and make bad plays because they think they can score a kill because they are fed. You can single-handedly put a team back into the game by making a bad dive and getting caught, even if you get the kill. So in short, calm down - be still like the waters, and let your enemies make mistakes. Don't risk yourself for needless kills.

Joalsm1 votes

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k wìx1 votes

I invite you to check my match history and my non-ranked MMR. I am routinely placed against platinum and diamond players. In many ways, this is a better indicator to your skill level. My MMR is significantly higher than a gold player. My statistics are also generally higher than a gold players. My win percent is about 60%, which is significantly higher than your average gold player.

A combination of all of these things is why I consider myself in the 'platinum' area of skill.

Check for yourself: https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=k wìx

Joalsm2 votes

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k wìx1 votes

Every game contributes to your skill level. I believe my stats speak for themselves. I'm sorry we disagree on this, but I won't change my mind for you. Goodluck in your future games though! :)

Also, for the record, I would be very, very surprised if a platinum or diamond would disagree with any of my advice above.

Joalsm2 votes

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k wìx1 votes

That's interesting, op.gg lists you as unranked. It also shows no data for your ranked games this season. Also, in general my stats are better than yours - I die less on average, and I have higher KDA's then you.

Doodlzzz1 votes

git gud

Shadòw1 votes

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