punish me?

NecromasterQ·Feb 15, 2015·2 votes·664 views

so league punishes everything but feeders and trolls. i just had a bot lane feed 0/18. you punish afk but not feeders. that was 18 deaths before 20 mins in A RANKED GAME. what does riot do? nothing. make people wait 5 10 20 mins for afk but wht if they're not afk and just feed? you do nothing. gj riot thanks for losing me lp. i'm sorry after the feed back for the original post i need to ammend what i've typed before. my issue is that people feeding in ranked or any other sort of gameplay is not punished in the same fashion as say disconnecting or leaving a game entirely. i apologize for any misconception.

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Ice Weasel XFeb 15, 20155 votes

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so league punishes everything but feeders and trolls. i just had a bot lane feed 0/18. you punish afk but not feeders. that was 18 deaths before 20 mins in A RANKED GAME. what does riot do? nothing. make people wait 5 10 20 mins for afk but wht if they're not afk and just feed? you do nothing. gj riot thanks for losing me lp.

You know, the problem with making specific claims like this is that your game history is visible to all of us. You posted about half an hour ago, and your match history shows you've played 11 games today. Not one of your games has a botlane with a possible 0/18 pre-20 laning phase.

This match (which started over 3 1/2 hours ago at the very latest due to game durations) is close, but only has 8 of your ADC/support deaths in lane pre-20.

This match shows an ADC with deaths almost solely in lane and a support with deaths split between bot and mid, but your ADC killed the enemy ADC before 10 minutes so that can't be an 0/18 duo pre-20. Interestingly, you went 0/9/0 (no assists!) and gave up the first two kills of the game.

NecromasterQFeb 15, 20151 votes

not the same game. the game which i was reffering i won lane didn't die in lane phase and killed 1v1 my lane enemy. nice try

NecromasterQFeb 15, 20151 votes

also you're glossing overr the fact that not only ez died 8 times.. but the janna who was duo with him died 10 times in lane phase...

NecromasterQFeb 15, 20151 votes

i don't remember them ever coming mid. but if they did they subsequently died again on purpose. which again makes my point the fact that these players die in multiple lanes on purpose is not punished nearly as swiftly as a d'c. or just leaving the game entirely... which i will say is pretty shity.. but if its not your choice.. is that really the same? how is it ok to punish many players immediately for a d'c and not for feeding?

NecromasterQFeb 15, 20151 votes

INTERESTINGLY, you don't even have the stats right on what you're trying to proclaim. EZ and janna died 18 times in that game IN LANE PHASE. then subsequently 3 more times before game was over scoring only one kill at, i think 15 deaths between them. purely because of overextending by other team on a tower dive. while i may be wrong about the 20 minute mark. lane phase was still in effect by the time they left bot lane. they still fed 18 deaths between them. but it still s not the issue. pick specifics apart all you want iceweasel the issue remains. why not punish intentional feeding as swiftly as everything else?

Ice Weasel XFeb 15, 20151 votes

I'm not even going to bother picking this all apart, because you only have one game the entire day with an Ezreal on your team, and AP Leona was your support. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1730045712/35864146?tab=overview

They clearly were not doing badly.

If you want to make up stats or games, do it when your full history is not publicly visible.

redniwediSFeb 15, 20153 votes

Losing isn't a punishment, it's a part of the game. Bans, both temporary and permanent, are punishments.

Darkmind1212Feb 15, 20152 votes

I have this odd feeling that you scream at your teams a lot.

Killer X 12Feb 15, 20151 votes

Yea i feel like i wouldn't want him on my team.

NecromasterQFeb 15, 20151 votes

my punishment for a d/c is i'm sent to a "lower priority queu" but people cn get away with feeding 9 -11 kills intentionaly in ranked play is... "oh...well we'll consider punishment" my punishment for my unfortunate situation is immediate and unforgiving. but theirs is "we'll think about it" this is so far beyond the bounds of justice.

NecromasterQFeb 15, 20151 votes

yes you can look back at certain games and pull up any account for peoples games that you want. for instance you can look back and find in my games that i went 16/1/8 with ww jungle carried my team... also lissandra carried multiple times. but....funny you don't mention that? seems to me you're pretty self serving on this topic.

Ice Weasel XFeb 15, 20152 votes

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yes you can look back at certain games and pull up any account for peoples games that you want. for instance you can look back and find in my games that i went 16/1/8 with ww jungle carried my team... also lissandra carried multiple times. but....funny you don't mention that? seems to me you're pretty self serving on this topic.

Not self-serving in the least. It's logic. Here's why:

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i just had a bot lane feed 0/18. you punish afk but not feeders. that was 18 deaths before 20 mins in A RANKED GAME...gj riot thanks for losing me lp.

You made that claim. You.

I looked at every one of your games from the day in which you "just had a bot lane feed 0/18." Your other games where you had a good score are irrelevant to the topic.

Objectively, the games that are relevant are the ones in which your botlane did poorly ("18 deaths before 20 mins in A RANKED GAME") and you lost ("gj riot thanks for losing me lp."). Do you know why? They help establish whether or not you're a reliable narrator. If you had a recent game that had a 0/18 botlane by the 20 minute mark, you might've been telling the truth.

Not a single one of them backed up your claim. Not only did you exaggerate your teammates' poor performance by a lot, but your own performance is pretty suspicious. How often does a champ with a global ult not manage to get a single assist? You claimed that other people on your team were feeding, but since you died more than once before their first deaths in the game with the closest match to your story and they managed a larger than 0% kill participation (which you did not), I'm not sure you can blame your loss on them feeding.

NecromasterQFeb 15, 20151 votes

not a single one of what? are you kidding? let us establish this iceweasel. you're saying not one of my games in my recent or any other history backs up my claim of having intentional feeders? have you watched everyone one of these games ? good and bad? or are you just positioning yourself on the stats you can see? have you investigated reports on the players i'm accusing of this action? or just me because i'm typing about the issue? further, you're stating that the only games that back up my claims are about JUST BOT LANE. this is also false as i play all roles. and it's not JUST BOT LANE that i am stating, feeds. its all roles. or don't back up my claims. I am interested in realizing you're view on this subject considering it's only me you're picking apart and not others. this is a game wide issue. many other players have the same problem. why not address that?

Ice Weasel XFeb 15, 20151 votes

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not a single one of what? are you kidding? let us establish this iceweasel. you're saying not one of my games in my recent or any other history backs up my claim of having intentional feeders? have you watched everyone one of these games ? good and bad? or are you just positioning yourself on the stats you can see? have you investigated reports on the players i'm accusing of this action? or just me because i'm typing about the issue? further, you're stating that the only games that back up my claims are about JUST BOT LANE. this is also false as i play all roles. and it's not JUST BOT LANE that i am stating, feeds. its all roles. or don't back up my claims. I am interested in realizing you're view on this subject considering it's only me you're picking apart and not others. this is a game wide issue. many other players have the same problem. why not address that?

I'm addressing the fact that you claim it had "just happened."

I'm going to do this again since you seem to be forgetful:

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so league punishes everything but feeders and trolls. i just had a bot lane feed 0/18. you punish afk but not feeders. that was 18 deaths before 20 mins in A RANKED GAME. what does riot do? nothing. make people wait 5 10 20 mins for afk but wht if they're not afk and just feed? you do nothing. gj riot thanks for losing me lp.

See the bold part? You're the one who specifically claimed that you "just had a bot lane feed 0/18...before 20 mins in A RANKED GAME...thanks for losing me lp."

This means your argument relies on:

you having a botlane that fed 0/18
the 0/18 score being achieved before 20 minutes
you losing the game
the game being very recent

I'll repeat that again since I know you're going to ask why I am focused on your botlane.

You blamed your 0/18 pre-20 minute botlane for your loss.

Here's what your match history shows for the 11 games played that day before your post:

Zero games with a 0/18 pre-20 minute botlane
Two games with a struggling botlane

I don't need to see a replay of your games to know that. The match history shows deaths, kills, locations, and approximate times of each. Considering your wording ("just had"), the game in question had to have happened very recently, thus the limitation of games on the same day. The most recent game at the time of your post was your Blitzcrank win. You only had two games with heavy losses in your botlane, which I linked.

In the game at least 3 1/2 hours before your original post, your botlane's relevant stats were:

ADC: 4/16/7
Support: 9/12/9
Combined KDA at 20 minutes: 1/7/?
Timestamp for 18 deaths reached: beyond 33 minutes with 5/19/?
Majority of deaths occurred after laning phase, scattered around the map

In the other game I linked, which was your most recent loss at the time of your post, your botlane's relevant stats were:

ADC: 2/8/1
Support: 2/9/2
Combined KDA at 20 minutes: 3/11/?
Timestamp for 18 deaths reached: Never
75% of ADC's deaths occurred in lane
Over half of support's deaths occurred in lane

This game seems like the most likely candidate for the game you were describing in your original post. Here's why:

It was the most recent loss
It was shorter, with a decisive end before 25 minutes
Most of your botlane's deaths happened in the botlane
Total botlane deaths (17) is almost the 18 you stated
Total botlane deaths were closer to 18 at 20 minutes
Your botlane ended with only 4 kills total, which is closer to 0 than the other game's botlane (13)

So to answer your question, when I say not a single one of your games backs up your claim, I'm talking about the fact that not a single one of your games actually has a botlane that does what you said. Do you understand? If you claimed your botlane fed 0/18 before 20 minutes and none of your games show that happening, then none of your games back up your claim. I never said you had no feeders in your game, because there was definitely at least one.

Total KDA: 0/9/0
You gave first blood and second blood
Total Damage to Champions: 1.0k (support dealt 5.5x that amount)
Magic Damage to Champions: 0.1k (100 magic damage total with Gangplank?)
Minions Killed: 13 (If you were playing support this would be understandable, but you were top)

Of course you want to blame someone else for feeding to excuse your loss. It couldn't have been you, could it?

Except it's blatantly obvious that it was.

NecromasterQFeb 15, 20151 votes

so one game whether exaggerated or not is not my main issue. though, you seem intent on picking it apart. the issue i've tried to address is that a d'c or a leave is punished immediately now. with longer and longer que times. ok cool. i agree with this. but intentional feeding is not punished in nearly the same manner. why not? it is just as bad as leaving a game entirely. so you're punished for leaving a game. not playing at all.. but not for running into lane and giving deaths arbitrarily all game. why not? its worse.

NecromasterQFeb 15, 20151 votes

my games are visible? good look through them... its too bad that you can't actually watch the matches. see the people feeding again over and over. and making me lose games. as well as many others. but never are these people punished as swiftly.

NecromasterQFeb 15, 20151 votes

seems like i scream at people a lot. lol you realiz this is typing right? i can't scream at anyone. i always give positive reinforcement for good plays. sometimes, like everyone, i can be accused fairly of being toxic. but i try not to type while playing. i understand its not conducive to put down fellow players. but if they die over and over knowing they can't win....? what is that like religion.? we know its wrong but cant speak of it... or punish it? seems pretty shity to me

Ice Weasel XFeb 15, 20151 votes

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seems like i scream at people a lot. lol you realiz this is typing right? i can't scream at anyone.

Semantics. You know what people mean.

sometimes, like everyone, i can be accused fairly of being toxic.

Argumentum ad populum. No, not everyone acts that way. Some people prefer not to unzip and water their teammates even if they're unskilled players.

NecromasterQFeb 15, 20151 votes

some people also prefer to play a game where people are treated fairly. as league of legends has progressed so far... maybe a bit further is my main topic.. but... as always you, who are so deep into you're own bs, choose to gloss over the topic