Zed vs Akali

Dangerous Man·Apr 4, 2015·1 votes·895 views

I was playing as Akali in URF doing fine at the start. Then when Zed and I hit 6. I noticed something weird. He could ult me while I was Invisible. He tower dived me while I was cloaked and cost me 3 lives. Later, I was in the jungle killing Red and jumped over the wall and killed me. So tried to kill many jungle monsters and he knew where I was and killed me. This whole time he was saying "Nobody on my team can see you, only I can see you." Is there an Item that let's you see invisible people? And How many wards would it take to do all 4 quarters of the jungle? Is this a hack or exploit? I have no idea what happened that game but it's the 2nd time I've ever raged in League.

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DreadPirateChrisApr 4, 20152 votes

There is no legitimate way that one player can see you without his team being able to see you. Vision is shared across the team - everyone sees what any trinket or skill reveals. As far as that goes, if it was true it would be suggest an exploit was involved. However, he may also have been lying just to annoy you more and make you tilt further.

Of course you could be seen in stealth with a pink ward or red trinket. Upgraded red trinket especially gives true sight for quite a while after activation.

Realize though you are not always hidden even to ordinary sight when cloaked - you are visible for a moment every time you auto-attack or use a skill.

As for distance vision, it takes 2 wards to see all the jungle paths in a section of jungle, 4 wards to cover your whole jungle, 8 to cover the whole jungle of both teams. Of course that doesn't let you see the inside of every bush or deep into the crevices of every camp, nor does it include the river, but it is enough to let you know where anyone goes within the jungle. If they went around a corner into a camp and didn't come out on any other path, then you know they are in that camp (at least for long enough to back or teleport, but most people don't go into a camp to teleport.) That means one player can get vision of one team's jungle (with 3 stealth and 1 vision ward), and a team can easily get vision of the whole jungle. Of course, in URF you could just ward red - the blue buff is effectively useless, and while all the camps are worth gold and nice to pick up if you have a moment, red buff is the one camp people are going to really want. For that matter, if you see a champion who benefits from red (anyone with autoattacks as part of their pattern) going into the red side jungle when red is up ... you don't even need a ward to know where they are going.

Dangerous ManApr 4, 20151 votes

But all quarts were warded and I was just desperate for levels and I couldn't even kill baby chickens/wolves/Golems and I was at level 12 while everybody else was 18. It still doesnt explain how he could get me under turret because he ulted me without the use of trinkets and I was shrouded for about 3 seconds under turret before he ran in. This was the only time where I think somebody was actually hacking in League.

DreadPirateChrisApr 4, 20151 votes

The way you describe what happened, that would be the only explanation.

On the other hand, I think it's also possible that he dived you with his shadow and shurikens and you responded with an auto-attack, revealing yourself and letting him ult you. If you think someone can already see you, you might just respond. Even if you don't respond, if you're not quite careful... auto-attacks will -auto- attack enemies in range unless you actively stop them (the 's' key or using movements to override your champion's auto-action). Accidentally revealing myself certainly got me killed a bunch of times as Akali until I learned what I was doing wrong and started being very careful to never be stationary under shroud (especially a shroud with an enemy in it with you, obviously, but also you need to be moving or 's' key stopped if an enemy that can burst you down is in gap close range, just in case.) It's also possible he just put out his AoE damage - doubled from his living shadow doing shurikens and slash, and that that was enough to kill you without seeing you. Only his ult is a targeted spell. This is one of several reasons that Zed vs Akali is a terrible match for Akali to find herself in.

If you're very sure this did -not- happen, and you're quite sure you were -ulted- and not AoE'd to death, and you didn't report the player already in the post-game lobby, then you should probably file a support ticket explaining that you were hit with a targeted spell by a player that had no legitimate way to have vision of you. Also his claim to have vision of you that his teammates didn't have is effectively him stating that he was cheating (which may or may not be true, but if someone -says- that they are cheating, and -seems- to be cheating, that seems worth reporting).

As for the other issue, while being behind certainly sucks, you won't get ahead by farming a jungle that the enemy has control of (even if they are controlling it with legitimate wards and not vision hacks, it's still the same problem whether there was cheating or not). You do get experience just from being near dying minions though; just hanging out with your team while somebody else wave-clears will bring your level up -- slowly, but relatively safely. And you might even get the chance for a clean-up kill even if you're behind.

Dangerous ManApr 4, 20151 votes

Problem was, My team wasn't there 2 were splitpushing and the other 2 were mid. We won the game but I got frustrated because I couldn't live whatsoever. They weren't exactly waveclearing at the end it was them all trying to backdoor. I did report because the least that would happen is Riot overlooking it which I don't really care about. I did look up Akali before I played her so I knew what not to do (Attack in a shroud or place another shroud when almost dead)

DreadPirateChrisApr 5, 20151 votes

Then join one of the splitpushers or the two that are mid. Stay behind them, throw the occasional safe Q. If they dive you, use shroud invisibility and speed, ult onto enemy minions or jungle camps, gunblade slow, and summoner spells to escape. Does it suck to have to ult onto raptors to escape a dive just to have had 90 seconds soaking up midlane shared xp? Absolutely. Is it better than getting zero xp and giving up a kill when you go into a dark jungle where a fed assassin is looking for you? Absolutely.

Maybe your team will even flash away at the first sign of enemy aggression and you die anyway... but at least you absorbed a few minions worth of exp, and that still is better compared to softening up red buff for the assassin that comes to kill you before you take it. You have to play out the hand you're dealt, not the one that you wish you had, and sometimes all you can do is try to soak up a little passive exp and maybe help finish off someone who overcommits to a dive on a fed teammate. Maybe it doesn't work out that way, there's no guarantees, but wandering alone in dark, enemy controlled territory while underfed is almost never going to gain you any advantage at all.