I am a shitty bronze 2 player in OCE and a vivid jhin main. I usually take DFT (Deathfire Touch) but I heard people now taking warlords on jhin. What do you think?. Personally I take DFT (for kill stealing hehexd) but warlords give me lifesteal on the 4th shot?
What do you think?
1st Movement4 votesDft got nerfed so taking warlords is better
Warlords provide a safer lane phase and more mobility bc of the movement speed
Leaf on Bush2 votesDft got nerfed so taking warlords is better
DFT got nerfed but that doesn't automatically make Warlords better. This is not a good conclusion, you still need to compare them.
1st Movement2 votes[{quoted}](name=Cancer Cavalier ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V4zqmGA6,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-04-03T11:57:43.512+0000)
DFT got nerfed but that doesn't automatically make Warlords better. This is not a good conclusion, you still need to compare them.
A huge dmg reduction even go through the numbers
Warlords has better scaling and crit jhin is stronger than full lethality
Dft has less scaling and 20% less dmg
Warlords > dft
Dft isn't gonna help you against poke matches and try playing jhin and notice it
Leaf on Bush1 votesWhether or not crit Jhin is better than full lethality matters very little since neither DFT nor Warlords scale with armor penetration. I just don't understand your reasoning. There doesn't have to be a "better" when you have 2 diffrent options that can work best depending on the matchup and your playstyle.
Being matched against a poke lane, where the sustain helps you survive, is definetly an argument for Warlords being good against poke lanes (when i say it like this it sounds amazingly simple, doesn't it?)....but not that it's better in general or always.
Do you really need Warlords when you have a Soraka support for example? xD
1st Movement2 votes[{quoted}](name=Cancer Cavalier ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V4zqmGA6,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-03T12:37:35.923+0000)
Whether or not crit Jhin is better than full lethality matters very little since neither DFT nor Warlords scale with armor penetration. I just don't understand your reasoning. There doesn't have to be a "better" when you have 2 diffrent options that can work best depending on the matchup and your playstyle.
Being matched against a poke lane, where the sustain helps you survive, is definetly an argument for Warlords being good against poke lanes (when i say it like this it sounds amazingly simple, doesn't it?)....but not that it's better in general or always.
Do you really need Warlords when you have a Soraka support for example? xD
Maybe if you actually played jhin then you would have actual criticism
Leaf on Bush1 votesSo you agree but you can't admit it, because proving that there is only 1 viable mastery for each champion is so important to you? Why? lol
1st Movement2 votes[{quoted}](name=Cancer Cavalier ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V4zqmGA6,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-03T14:28:41.357+0000)
So you agree but you can't admit it, because proving that there is only 1 viable mastery for each champion is so important to you? Why? lol
Same reasoning why ap jhin is viable
Leaf on Bush1 votesThere is no reason that makes AP Jhin really viable, so that means you don't even need a good reason to insist on your undifferentiated opinion?
Erm... Well played! You are doing a pretty good job disqualifying yourself.
1st Movement2 votes[{quoted}](name=Cancer Cavalier ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=V4zqmGA6,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-03T14:41:50.772+0000)
There is no reason that makes AP Jhin really viable, so that means you don't even need a good reason to insist on your undifferentiated opinion?
Erm... Well played! You are doing a pretty good job disqualifying yourself.
Again you possess no credibility To differentiate either keystone
Play jhin then start giving your valid opinion
Run through the numbers and see why his win rate went down
Requiemsfire2 votesI reckon Warlords is overall better especially since the heal scales off both crit and AD.
Kahl Drogo981 votesalways DFT, he gets the full 4 ticks of it
OurLestrade1 votesIf you're cool and build crit unlike the lethality plebs the speed boost from your passive is more than enough I feel.
Leaf on Bush1 votesWarlord for sustain (easier laning phase), Deathfire for damage. (more kill potential late game)^^
Warlords is good on Jhin for the same reason as Deathfire: he gets a lot of AD.
I don't think the 4th shot heals more, it just uses your total AD+crit value to calculate the amount it heals. Obviously Jhin works best for this kind of heal from a single shot mechanic.
GankedByWindows1 votesI've played a lot of Jhin. I personally value the lifesteal and mobility that warlords gives over DFT. Yes, losing the damage sucks but it isn't as much before and the warlords crit healing works with your fourth shot and is very easy to manipulate to get a lot of healing. Try both and see what you like better.
