I really hate how useless Teemo's Move-Quick is, every champ has an ability better than it

poonslayer98·Nov 2, 2018·6 votes·2,426 views

It's gotten to the point where I literally don't even put a point into it unless I'm against certain champs like with hard hitting abilities you have no choice but to dodge.

I just have such an easier time dealing with the likes of when my Blind and Poison are maxed faster since all these champs I'm supposed to "counter" have shit that makes my useless as fuck temporary speed-boost irrelevant.

19 Comments

OleandervineNov 2, 20186 votes

Don't forget, Move Quick also gives you passive out of combat movespeed as well as the active. So while it doesn't seem that great, getting places faster helps you set up quicker, return to lane faster, and sneak around easier to gank/countergank.

poonslayer98Nov 2, 20183 votes

Too bad every champion in the game gets better movement speed regardless thanks to their items and or bonus effects on their abilities.

His W is hot trash and I would give up anything for it to be made into a real ability with impact on his gameplay.

OleandervineNov 2, 20183 votes

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Too bad every champion in the game gets better movement speed regardless thanks to their items and or bonus effects on their abilities.

His W is hot trash and I would give up anything for it to be made into a real ability with impact on his gameplay.

Teemo can build items too for bonus movement speed - or are you simply going to compare Teemo, naked and in a vacuum, to champions in the game who are building items and running runes?

I never said it was a perfect ability, but it's not as god awful as you're making it out to be. You're also completely disregarding the out of combat passive speed boost. It's not obvious power, but being faster than your opponents while roaming or setting up ganks is pretty strong.

poonslayer98Nov 2, 20182 votes

Sure Teemo can build movespeed items, too bad he'll do 0 damage then because he's been shoehorned into having no other choice in items than item 3151 item 3135 item 3165 item 3115 every single game if he wants to have any real impact.

But please go ahead and go MS teemo, I'm sure your enemies will enjoy the fast-food

OleandervineNov 2, 20183 votes

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Sure Teemo can build movespeed items, too bad he'll do 0 damage then because he's been shoehorned into having no other choice in items than every single game if he wants to have any real impact.

But please go ahead and go MS teemo, I'm sure your enemies will enjoy the fast-food

item 3100 would have words with you. Plus, like many champions who already have stats built into their kit, Teemo doesn't need to build MS because he can outspeed most opponents, especially those he's against top lane like bruisers.

poonslayer98Nov 2, 20182 votes

You mean toplanes that almost religiously grab items like item 3078 / item 3071 / item 3742 / item 3800 ?

His movespeed is chump-change compared to this shit.

OleandervineNov 2, 20183 votes

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You mean toplanes that almost religiously grab items like / / / ?

His movespeed is chump-change compared to this shit.

Teemo's movespeed is online the moment he puts a point into W. Those items you listed, specifically the defensive ones, require you to invest quite heavily into them before you can get even remotely close to outspeeding him. In regards to the first two, while you're constructing them, you're required to hit him to move faster - and even after construction, only the Trinity Force offers flat MS boosts.

And then of course there's the stupidity of a top laner building Armor items against one of the most irritating AP champions in their lane.

MalrothDragoniaNov 2, 20183 votes

I mean, I got mastery 7 with support MS teemo. Celerity plus Relentless hunter not only means you move like a frikkin ROCKET, but you're getting free stats for doing so. By late game it's almost impossible to catch me, and if you're good with trap placement you will NEVER be caught out.

MS is one of the most heavily monitored stats in the game. Boot enchantments were removed over mobility creep, Irelia just saw a 5 ms nerf and that is seen as something pretty significant. It's probably one of the more invisible stats that has some of the most impact on gameplay.

Don't knock MS, gotta move fast!

Warlord RhinarkNov 2, 20186 votes

I hate to say it, but his W should be changed to a short combat roll.

poonslayer98Nov 2, 20183 votes

I'd kill for that, would be so much more useful than this waste of Mana and skill-points.

LTK KoRoNov 2, 20181 votes

If we'll make his poke manageable, then sure, let's give him reliable escape.

Im not a fan of losing 150 hp after 1 teemo AA. His e procs aery twice, and it's bullshit by itself

Best Ekko NANov 2, 20184 votes

I used to play quite a bit of Teemo in the past (a few matches this year), and I don't really agree with the accusations you're giving or the supporting reasons that you've mentioned. Teemo is by no means a weak champion, he's actually super strong in many ways that players don't think about. The biggest issue regarding any champion in League isn't the champion, but instead the player base's mentality that everything "needs to be able to fight". The reason it applies to Teemo is because, fighting directly isn't where Teemo excels.

Teemo is a champion who has a lot of hidden power in his kit. By hidden, I'm mostly trying to say that it doesn't feel noticeable to the player, but it definitely exists. You as a player might look at Teemo and think "I can't fight anything, I'm not fast enough, this champion sucks".. but then statistically after the game you look and will begin to notice that you had the highest damage in the game, the highest vision score, and the highest crowd control score. That's a typical game from Teemo, and while it feels like you aren't doing enough, you're really doing far more than it feels like.

Anyways, if Riot were to adjust Teemo's W, other things in his kit would have to be removed or lowered to compensate. All of Teemo's abilities are over-tuned already to help make up for his W's lack of power.. or rather, it would more likely be the other way around. Teemo's other abilities are so powerful that Riot really cannot afford to give him anything better on that skill slot.

In case you don't understand, consider what is actually in Teemo's kit:

Teemo's passive let's him turn INVISIBLE. Where as, most champions use camouflage which can be spotted with wards, nothing will reveal Teemo. Not only can he turn invisible, he can literally move around in a bush without anyone being able to reveal him (except a select amount of champions that can reveal invisible targets like Corki or Lee Sin). For a passive that is actually super powerful despite how weak it might feel for someone who just likes fighting. --
Teemo's Blinding Dart is a very long CC with a low cooldown and high base damages with also high scaling. To a champion who relies on auto attacks, Teemo's blind is the equivalent of a point and click Morgana bind at a lower cooldown. It might not feel that strong, but trust me.. IT IS. --
Teemo's Toxic shot is actually more powerful than Singed's poison and it doesn't use any mana --> 34 / 68 / 102 / 136 / 170 (+ 70% AP) per hit, compared to Singed's 40 / 60 / 80 / 100 / 120 (+ 80% AP) damage in 2 seconds. --
Next we have his ultimate.. Teemo's Noxious Trap is essentially a global ultimate (since he doesn't have to be near a mushroom for it to deal damage) and gives vision like wards with no limit on how many he can place. When it detonates it deals AoE damage per second (with fairly decent base damage and scaling), slows, and gives Teemo vision of his target.. That's not even to mention they have a ranged method of placement which gives Teemo even more safety.

Teemo has 4 massively strong abilities in his kit already. If you think his Move Quick is too weak then there's good odds that you just aren't utilizing his "hidden assets" enough. Even if that isn't the case, there are good chances that you simply don't realize how powerful Teemo's kit really is. His strengths don't involve straight up fighting other players. He's a champion who is designed to be strategic by using his map control, blind, slow, and speed boost to help create advantages for himself.

poonslayer98Nov 2, 20182 votes

I never said Teemo was bad so I don't know where you're getting that from, I just pointed out the fact that his Move Quick is a joke ability that isn't even worth a point in most match-ups until you have no other option but to level it.

Best Ekko NANov 2, 20183 votes

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I never said Teemo was bad so I don't know where you getting that from, I just pointed out the fact that his Move Quick is a joke ability that isn't even worth a point in most match-ups until you have no other option but to level it.

But there's good reason he has that for one of his abilities. It's not overly oppressive and it synergizes with the rest of his kit. It's not the strongest or most useful ability to max, but there isn't a ton of mechanics that could be given to Teemo before he becomes far too strong. Teemo has a lot of things going for him already and he's always had a win rate over 50% as far back as I can remember. There's really no reason to fix something that isn't broken.

AyzevNov 3, 20181 votes

If he really was such a powerful, strategic champion, he'd probably have better stats than <46% win rate and <2% pick rate in diamond+

Best Ekko NANov 3, 20181 votes

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If he really was such a powerful, strategic champion, he'd probably have better stats than <46% win rate and <2% pick rate in diamond+

Teemo has over a 50% win rate higher than plat, where are you getting your numbers? If you are using League of Graphs then you need to consider the sample size of matches because they don't compile based on patch like champion.gg (nor do they factor in roles). Champion.gg is the only 100% accurate website for the NA server as most of the other websites either don't compile based on patch or use the Korean server for their data.

Notice here, 50% win rate Platinum+

https://champion.gg/champion/teemo/Top?

If you look here, at NA win rate for champion Teemo has a 51.20% win rate (in Diamond)

http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/

But if you click the champion, it shows you Korean statistics instead (notice at the top, Korean ver 8.21).

http://na.op.gg/champion/Teemo/

This website compiles all ranks and all matches, notice Teemo is sitting at a 51.0% win rate worldwide.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Teemo/

Notice here once more, 50.75% win rate.

http://matchup.gg/champion/Teemo/

Once again, 50.9% win rate.

https://www.lolskill.net/champions