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Would the game REALLY be that bad if Assassins were removed?

DiamondStef·2/25/2016, 9:28:41 AM·5 votes·1,696 views

I mean, if you deleted the ENTIRE Assassin class from the game and their items, so bye bye (AD Deathfire Touch - Riot likes to pretend it isn't but Deathfire used to have exactly the same active but for AP and that was considered "unhealthy"), how much would the game change.

I mean, would it REALLY be that different. Mages would still be able to counter ADC's and Tanks would also counter ADC's because of ADC's natural squishness so the game would effectively still be balanced, if not MORE SO then it is now.

I really do not see the point of assassins, they seem to be very shoehorned into the game when their presence is not required to actually win the game. Yes, they kill people but they cannot provide the CC that mages can, or the durability of tanks so effectively they are forced into the meta when they do not effectively have to be here at all.

You could take all assassins out of the game tomorrow and this game really would not change much because Assassins DON'T have a solid counter or a solid benefit like the other classes do. Their only role is to "get fed" and "snowball" which is what most AD Bruiser champions can already do anyway.

If you took them out of the game, nobody that isn't an assassin main would notice or even care, I suspect.

Would probably make for a healthier community as well... very little cheese deaths that were not the direct mistake of the person playing.

If Riot could actually answer this for me... If we took them out tomorrow, how much would the game be effected by it. I don't believe it would be all that much, all the assassin "mains" would move onto playing high mobility mages like , I imagine.

I am NOT saying this to have a dig at assassin players. I just cannot see WHY they are useful, most only have kill potential and nothing else, they bring NOTHING to support their team.

OH AND DON'T JUST VOTE THIS DOWN WITHOUT GIVING A REASON, JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE AN ASSASSIN MAIN AND YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE OPENLY TALKING ABOUT THIS. Sheeze... some people.

32 Comments

1 800 MID LANE2/25/2016, 9:46:37 AM2 votes

Deathfire Grasp*

Removing a whole class would completely change how the game would need to be balanced because you no longer would have anyone to dive to their backline and nuke an ADC. That would make ADCs 10x stronger than they already are, and we all know how fun that would be. Literally every champion that's supposed to deal any amount of sustained damage would need gutted. Vayne would be pick or ban. BotRK would be the "game over" item. The game would come down to whoever can shred tanks best and/or whoever has the balls to not bother with them on their team.

Lugg2/26/2016, 4:07:21 PM2 votes

The assassin class has ALWAYS been the most unbalanced of all the classes. Due to their very nature, they are either too OP or too UP.

BadmoonBC2/26/2016, 4:19:10 PM1 votes

I can snowball with an assassin and if I don't win in 15-20 minutes and get them to surrender and they have a bunch of tanks on their team my assassination won't matter at all.

Titanium702/26/2016, 4:34:58 PM1 votes

Obviously things would change:

Engage patterns gain more strenght.
Mages will get their lane back, maybe they'd disapear from supp completely.
Disengage would become stronger.
Positioning will be super important.
Having Frontline-Tanks would become more important, someone has to soak up those ADCs.
Overall we'd see more deathball and anti-deathball oriented teams. Sivir, Karth, Rightous Glory, Janna, Ori and more...

I would be sad? Nope, not at all. Diversity would suffer? Yes, although.. I miss those Deathball Teams in SoloQ... ^^

Akali is SO HOT2/26/2016, 4:36:21 PM1 votes

Well if you want ADCs to be even more overpowered than they already are then sure go for it

EcchiOtakuTM2/27/2016, 4:37:00 AM1 votes

Youmuu still better then duskblade, Duskblade has a long CD, triggers on any AA(taunts will end it especially), if something even happens to die to it they would have died to 1-2 more AAs anyways which is a good thing for such a long CD, and it's damage can be removed by items While DFG which still did damage which couldn't be removed, and could target whoever you wanted when you wanted and a lower CD not to mention had an additional damage amp. If anything duskblade is a gutted ver. of DFG not horrible but nothing to brag about. It's not an item that needs nerfing/remove-worthy.

Now the reason assassins exist are to curve the early-mid game heavily into their team's favor which mages can't do really well until late game. Assassins can do it better while they fell off late game due to grouping up could hurt an assassin's DPS/burst. Duskblade improved their fall-off point without making them broken.

Why should any assassin be removed? Just because you don't like using/playing versus it doesn't mean it's unhealthy for the game. They are again early-mid game champs who want to take out a squishy to give their team an easier time which is powerful tool to help you win a game without team reliance (Main reason why mage assassins suffer is because they are assassins but still have to rely on their team). Only assassins I personally like playing are talon/shaco 2 of my 29 mains however I love facing zed/akali/lb etc. because they allow me to fight a battle differently than any mage enemy could ever offer since their early game is more impactful thus a refreshing change of pace.

IMHO i think the entire assassin role would be better if it was more AD/ jungle-option focused (Not meaning take out all AP assassins in lane but give them some jungle power/options too),

LB, Kat, Kass are the only 3 champs who would be changed though

Kat- could be given more AD+physica focus which isn't hard or would feel weird since kat already has AD ratios in-kit.

Kass- could be given more damage to monsters OR changed to AD+physical focus (Kass can still get a great amount of mana from AD anyways and he does like to AA between cast)

LB- I have no change suggestion I could make because it would destroy her kit since LB has range, mobility, and heavy CC. something which would be too much on an AD or jungler with the damage output it offers.

However, Assassins are able to curve early-mid games but AD assassins have a bonus of being able to take out objectives hence not needing to rely more on their team. The reason why I feel assassins would be better if more AD focused(in lane) or jungle focused(If AP, however not fully taking lane from them instead want AP assassins to have a jungle option) is since junglers exist to help curve games early-mid(There's other stuff junglers do this is just part of it) the entire assassin role aside from AD who can fall back on split pushing should be able to jungle.

Again the only champions who would get looked into are Kat, Kass, and LB. Kass/Kass who are simple fixes for such a thing but LB......

Fatalitý2/27/2016, 3:20:05 PM1 votes

Assassins being removed? Lol you wish keep trying to beg they will never go XD [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] item 3070

Lost R2/27/2016, 9:45:58 PM1 votes

As someone who bashes assassins all the time, no. They're a major and important role in the game. It became a problem (and hence why I bash them relentlessly all the time) when a vast majority of the community started playing assassins EXCLUSIVELY and entire divisions would become disproportionately full of assassin mains. It leads to a stupid arms race mentality where assassins try to out-assassin one another over other tactics like elemental/strategic superiority, which leads to a team that gains an early lead can't be dethroned because of overspecialization. THAT is what ruined the game more than anything else.

Titanium7012/22/2016, 12:42:01 AM1 votes

Well... why?

Sure Assassins being mandatory is the worst possible META because of all the problems those kits cause for both teams - but as a niche/counter option they're totally fine. It's just important and Assassins-Players have to understand this, strong/META Assassins are toxic. Period.

That's not the fault of the Champions them selfes - just the core fantasy of an Assassin is not heathy to a team-centric game. On the other hand - their should always be more than one playstyle available - that's why we should keep them in this game.

SeaGodUrronuos12/22/2016, 12:46:35 AM1 votes

Okay so delete half of the game got it, i cant tell if this is troll or actually a stupid person saying this but whatever im not wasting my breath on it.