NERF VLADIMIR

2quick4u2··27 votes·10,567 views

Vladimir feels just so strong for me. I can win my lane every single time with 2-3 champions but I haven't won a single lane against a Vladimir. You trade with him after he uses his q but he still outtrades you. If his hp is a bit low he can just life steal in 2 sec from minions and be full hp again. Because he is ranged he can farm better than you as well if he has a bit of experience with the champ. Plz nerf him or just tell me how to play against him...

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Ahpe7 votes

His early game is weak unless you don't stay away from his Crimson Rush. I'll just give you a screenshot to help explain.

https://imgur.com/HxVzKJ7

His resource bar turns orange when he almost has it and it turns red when it's active. He can hold onto it for 2 1/2 seconds so it's not as oppressive as Yasuo tornado.

#Also

  • His R is an instant PTA proc for 4 seconds which at the end heals him more for each champion hit with the initial cast
  • His E is on the weaker side of waveclear abilities in the early game so you should be able to shove him in with anything else
  • Always keep track of his W CD

https://imgur.com/jiAsb17

Here's a link to his LoL wikia page http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Vladimir

2quick4u24 votes

Thanks for the answer but I those things already and I know his abilities. It is annoying that after every time we trade he can heal back up in 10 seconds while I am half hp

Ahpe3 votes

It's literally all about his Q. Don't get hit by crimson rush and you're good.

If it's that bad, buy item 3123 item 3076 if possible or take summoner 14 if you're confident you can snowball on him.

If you need item 3165 then you probably already have enough waveclear to shove him in and you're probably ranged so he can't even get in range to empower Q you to the point where his healing isn't strong enough to help him win lane.

Of course watch out for lvl. 6 all-in and if he chunks you enough with crimson rush he'll obviously try to all-in you there too.

YumaS2Astral3 votes

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It's literally all about his Q. Don't get hit by crimson rush and you're good.

If it's that bad, buy item 3123 item 3076 if possible or take summoner 14 if you're confident you can snowball on him.

If you need item 3165 then you probably already have enough waveclear to shove him in and you're probably ranged so he can't even get in range to empower Q you to the point where his healing isn't strong enough to help him win lane.

Of course watch out for lvl. 6 all-in and if he chunks you enough with crimson rush he'll obviously try to all-in you there too.

item 3076 is useless against Vlad, he will never auto you and get inflicted with GW to begin with, also, it has armor, which doesn't reduce Vlad's damage (that is magic).

Zeyphel2 votes

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It's literally all about his Q. Don't get hit by crimson rush and you're good.

If it's that bad, buy item 3123 item 3076 if possible or take summoner 14 if you're confident you can snowball on him.

If you need item 3165 then you probably already have enough waveclear to shove him in and you're probably ranged so he can't even get in range to empower Q you to the point where his healing isn't strong enough to help him win lane.

Of course watch out for lvl. 6 all-in and if he chunks you enough with crimson rush he'll obviously try to all-in you there too.

The main issue is that Morellonomicon is too expensive and there is not any AP item with lower price that inflict grievous wounds, so meanwhile you build Morellonicon which takes a lot of time, Vladimir can harass you however he wants. He will outtrade you, he will get you low hp and you have to return base and when you come he won't let you farm and he will keep doing the same until you buy that item. I have played against a lot of Vladimirs and when your are under tower, they go take the shot and Q you. They don't mind losing hp because their lifesteal is absurd and they get full hp instantly, so you can't farm in lane, under tower, nowhere if the Vladimir knows how to play good. That applies to most Mages and midlaners. AD users at least can buy a cheap item item 3123 which can fight lifesteal, but AP users loose lane by default.

At the time you finally can buy Morellonomicon you would have lost a lot of cs if the Vladimir is good and you won't be able to outdamage him because he scales pretty good. He won't leave you farm even under tower.

The only way you win that matchup as an AP user is if your jungler is good and plays with the team, if not Good Luck.

2quick4u22 votes

That is exactly my problem. When you play AP champion you must buy item 3165 and that is way too expensive to buy in the laning phase. You will miss a lot of minions so that makes it even harder to get the item. And even if you buy it, it has to be the first item so you won't any damage for a long while...

aezens4 votes

A good vlad player will use crimson rush to zone you from cs because someone thought "don´t be in range" is a good counterplay. Alot of people want to tell me he has a weak early but I don´t consider a lv 1 point and click spell with 200 damage as weak. However the main "counterplay" healing reduction isn´t that much of a counter in laningphase. item 3165 + item 3802 = 4300 gold investment. Thats at least 10 - 15 min into the game depending on your success. And aside from maybe midlane Irelia nobody wants to buy item 3123 or item 3076.

In general there is not much you can punish, considering his late game scaling, besides picking summoner 14 and hoping he is stupid enought to feed you with one of the safest midlaner you can play. Even hard push isn´t a counter because Vladimir waveclear is far from bad either. It just prevents him from killing you because you keep his spells on cooldown.. unless you run out of mana for some reason...

Ahpe1 votes

I totally agree with you. Vlad is onlykindofreallystrongandableto1v1mostbruisers. Laning against a decent Vlad is like buying fake J's and trying really hard to make sure nobody figures out they're fake.

PabloMaster543215 votes

Vladimir is pretty easy to counter with summoner 14 and item 3033, especially early game, where he is pretty easy to kill most of the time, as long as you wait out his q crit.

Lil Thespy3 votes

Vlad is on stupid levels of broken. His trade and sustian back with his Q is incredibly unhealthy. His whole kit needs to be thrown into dumpster and reworked.

There is zero risk and skill involved with playing such a Champ.

Toxic levels of sustian, they removed SPELL Vamp for a fucking reason.

Glory972 votes

What if I told you that the 2-3 champions to play might have very bad matchups against vladimir? Because vladimir definetly has matchups where he has a hard time. When facing a vladimir I like to pick Cassiopeia Zoe Malzahar in midlane and win lane easily.

Alternativly you can pretty much pick any mage, hard shove the wave and bind him to his turret cause he can hardly match the wavelcear of most midlaners. This lane priority can be used to establish vision and allow your jungler to get pretty much every scuttle crap, since the enemy jungler can't contest it when vlad is forced to hug his tower.

Yes things will get really difficult when he gets ahead, but that's similar to alot of other champions.

2quick4u22 votes

ok, I guess I'll play mages against Vladimir. I usually pick Katarina, Akali, Zed. Thanks for the answer.

charge attack1 votes

zed does very well against vladimir, especially earlier in the game. His pool CD > your W cd and you can abuse that to get a kill.

After 6 if he ever uses his pool then he's dead meat. You also have more waveclear than him. As long as you avoid his third Q you'll be fine.

Idk about Akali and Katarina, but I would think that Akali wins against him too.

Madsin252 votes

Ok vlad is a hard counter to zed.

Skill matchup for katatina.

Akali hard counters vlad. All you have to do is all in lvl 6 theres nothing he can do.

2quick4u21 votes

Ah right! I have had never a problem with Vladimir when I play Akali but she is getting reworked so...

egOrhythm2 votes

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What if I told you that the 2-3 champions to play might have very bad matchups against vladimir? Because vladimir definetly has matchups where he has a hard time. When facing a vladimir I like to pick Cassiopeia Zoe Malzahar in midlane and win lane easily.

Alternativly you can pretty much pick any mage, hard shove the wave and bind him to his turret cause he can hardly match the wavelcear of most midlaners. This lane priority can be used to establish vision and allow your jungler to get pretty much every scuttle crap, since the enemy jungler can't contest it when vlad is forced to hug his tower.

Yes things will get really difficult when he gets ahead, but that's similar to alot of other champions.

His waveclear sucks until he grabs a Protobelt and puts a few points in E. Then pretty much he starts matching some mages in waveclear and even outperforms others. I'm with OP on this one. Red succman needs a bit of a nerf. Nothing too overboard. I've never been a fan of nerfing champions to irrelevance. That's just poor game design.

VelvetCrotch2 votes

YES! And these dudes VelkozZoe [Anivia Veigar ] <- these two are not as important

QmegaSquadVeigar1 votes

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YES! And these dudes VelkozZoe [Anivia Veigar ] <- these two are not as important

Then you realize vlad beats Veigar if he isn't braindead.

Recon12122 votes

And then his late game, the pinnacle of gameplay. Insanely short cooldowns coupled with an invulnerability with immense amount of healing. Seeing a fed Vlad is one of the scariest things in the game cause you know no matter how much damage you deal, it'll all just come back as soon as it went away.

And oh that damage, fucking forget about killing him before he one shots you with a E Q E. I don't know the exact numbers but I'm pretty sure both E and Q have under a 3 sec CD and bot can do upwards of 500 dmg a piece, it's really fun seeing someone run at you and just hit you with everything cause other than being too far away you can't dodge it.

RyzeTheSmurfMage1 votes

Hashinshin we know it's you

2quick4u21 votes

WHY IS FIORA UNBANNED!?!?

Stray Kat1 votes

I just noticed in a comment that you said you like to play Kat/Akali/Zed into him. Maybe try Diana out in some norms and get a feel for her, find a Vlad to practice against - She's a great answer to Vladimir.

2quick4u21 votes

thanks will do.

Darius Strada1 votes

item 3123 item 3033 summoner 14item 3155 item 3156 if you're AD. item 3194 item 3075 summoner 14item 3076 if you're a Tank. item 3165 item 3102 summoner 14 if you're AP.

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