LLStylish and RiotBlaustoise discussing Zed

2quick4u2··35 votes·10,832 views

After LLStylish, Laceration, and Faker, Riot is also saying that zed is weak. In this video, LLStylish shows that zed has the least damage in an all-in at level 3 between Kassadin and Akali although Zed should counter Kassadin. Secondly Stylish tells RiotBlaustoise Zed's W cooldown issue, namely Zed's W is his only trade (since 1 shuriken doesn't count as a trade because of how little damage it does), escape and wave clear ability but it is on a 22 seconds cd, whereas Akali's W has 21 seconds cooldown, Leblanc's W has 18 seconds cd and these abilities aren't as important for these champion as Zed's W is for him.

Another issue is his and his opponents' itemization options. Zed's only good build is item 3147 item 3142 item 3036. The problem here is, Black Cleaver's smaller items are useless so you are really weak until you complete it and Black Cleaver has a stacking armor penetration but as Zed, if you don't deal enough damage with your W+E+2Q combo you won't kill him. So you can't use Black Cleaver that good. Other option would be transcendence with 30% cdr but then you can't take triumph which is really good on zed and you will have 30% cdr unless you don't buy a 10%cdr item which isn't optimal in most cases. Problem with the zed's opponents itemization is if they are AP they can buy seeker's armguard which is 45 armor with full stacks, (stopwatch which counters zed's all kit) and then upgrade it to Zhonya's for a really low price. That will reduce Zed's damage output significantly even though he is 1 level higher than this ap champion. If this AP champion also takes 10 armor runes, it is really hard for Zed to do anything.

LLStylish talks about the pre-season article that riot wrote, saying that assassins are hard to balance for example if Rengar gets fed he can one-shot anyone and carry the game, but if he falls behind he will be useless. LLStylish's asks if a Jax gets really fed, can he not do those things and carry the game as well? Except he wouldn't be useless if he falls behind since he has his stun and scaling. Assassins, who don't usually have any crowd control ability, can't be useful like Jax if they fall behind. The other difference is that bruisers have a lot more items to pick from, that are way more gold efficient than assassin's (mentioned in the video) but Zed, for example, can only buy the items I mentioned above.

The last point I want to make is Zed's early, mid and late game. Since Zed is an assassin you would expect him to have average early, good mid and bad late game win rate. According to champion.gg Zed has a: 50% win rate in 0-20 minutes 45,67% wr in 20-25 minutes 47,66% wr in 25-30 minutes 49,43% wr in 30-40 minutes 51,63% wr in 40+ So he has more win rate the longer the game goes on. The reason behind that is like LLStylish said, Zed isn't a champion before he completes his item 3147 item 3142 item 3036. I think an assassin who isn't that strong until 30 minutes is a bit weird.

I think Zed needs a buff, Lacaration has already written what type of buffs zed could get. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/HIiJwgkc-possible-ways-to-fix-zed

and this is Faker saying "Zed is crap". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6HbPBE9Hmk

ps: sorry for my bad English

68 Comments

A7X Kindred20 votes

Oh boy here we go again, Mage players will come and downvote this into oblivion and then rant about how zed is broken and stuff, Zed mains will give them facts and info about how he's not broken, mage players will ignore and instead point out that Zed has Maw to counter AP (which btw sucks).

They will then call their best friends the ad mains to downvote this as well, after a few days this thread will be filled with comments about a Zed being broken and not having any counterplay.

Nevrankroaton1 votes

I would love to have some talk about Zed being an energy champion tho, because his longer W CD is also link to the fact it is a free "I make a choice" gap closer or escape that allow him to enlarge his Q range and make him able to proc eletrocute extremely quickly. Add to that it is about energy, that he can use his Q to safely take cs or try to 'poke', that he has extremely good tool to farm/power farm, etc.

I don't want his W to be reduced early, by NO mean. Zed should be a skillfull character and if you want a lower W CD, you max it second or you just accept it. He is what an assassin with an escape/gap closer should be, be 'punished' and have a down time so you can punish or organize a gank.

It is true that Zed maybe doesn't snowball as hard as some other top tiers assassin (cough Leblanc cough) but again it is what make assassin so frustrating by itself is them being slightly ahead and being allowed to be such a threat.

Also Zed can itemise with more flexibility than people want to say, he has some core items but he can always build defensive boots + a hexdrinker against AP midlaner.

I rather give some power to laning Zed, like some better health regen, so he can have a better time managing his life and not be punished too much while making sure his killing power doesn't increase early. Maybe buff his mid game a little? Either better ult stat or maybe better AD/lvl?

Fire Blaustoise2 votes

It is true that Zed maybe doesn't snowball as hard as some other top tiers assassin

Assassins arent even good atm (midlaners). The only one strong is Talon (Leblanc burst is stupid but she's a mage).

but again it is what make assassin so frustrating by itself is them being slightly ahead and being allowed to be such a threat.

Mages are like that atm.

Fízz v215 votes

tbf pretty much any mid champ is gonna be trash to people like Faker with akali irelia aatrox LB, etc. around.

Zed still has above 10% pick rate and 50% win rate in diamond+. Zed isnt weaker than many other assassins that cant compete with bruisers/mages mid like Fizz and many other outdated mages.

2quick4u213 votes

According to u.gg he has a %49,48 win rate diamond+ and LLStylish shows his all-in damage level 3 compared to other assassins. Spoiler alert he does less with more cooldown on his abilities. Like I said it isn't only Faker who says Zed is weak, but also Laceration, LLStylish and now Riot (Riotblaustoise)

Fízz v28 votes

Yeah, Im pretty sure Faker would call Fizz trash as well tho. And other assassins dont have as much range and mobility as Zed

2quick4u212 votes

First of all, you can't simply say that zed is the most mobile assassin in the game Akali has 1 movement speed, 1 flip and 2 dashes in her kit Katarina can blink 2 times by shunpoing to a minion, picking her W dagger and shunpoing again to another minion Leblanc has an ult that has little to no cooldown late game, so she can leap 2 times over the walls instantly and then go back. Fizz has his E which makes him untargetable and he leaps at the same time on a 16 seconds cooldown level 1, and his Q is a dash which has 8 seconds cooldown level 1 Kassadin can blink every 2-5 seconds with his ultimate. Secondly, zed's range comes from his W which has 22 seconds cooldown. If zed uses his W: Katarina can shunpo (14 seconds cooldown without counting her resets from picking up her dagger) in do her damage and get out with shunpo. Fizz can dash to Zed if he gets a bit close, dodge his 1 q while dealing damage and get out with no harm. and these are just a few examples, I can write more but you get the point.

BestPudgeNA11 votes

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According to u.gg he has a %49,48 win rate diamond+ and LLStylish shows his all-in damage level 3 compared to other assassins. Spoiler alert he does less with more cooldown on his abilities. Like I said it isn't only Faker who says Zed is weak, but also Laceration, LLStylish and now Riot (Riotblaustoise)

No he didn't LL doesn't proc Zed passive which would be part of an actual all in. He also completely ignored other advantages Zed has like not having a mana bar and having better gank escapes/assistance.

Need Gold 4 Tent2 votes

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According to u.gg he has a %49,48 win rate diamond+ and LLStylish shows his all-in damage level 3 compared to other assassins. Spoiler alert he does less with more cooldown on his abilities. Like I said it isn't only Faker who says Zed is weak, but also Laceration, LLStylish and now Riot (Riotblaustoise)

He pays for it with his damage by being the safest. You don't get to have reliable assassination patterns while getting out alive. Rengar's reliable point and click 1 shot at least means he still dies afterwards.

Fire Blaustoise2 votes

Zed isnt safe. his assassination pattern is reliable. Divers are reliable (Wukong, Rengar...).

FéliXXX5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GUtxIIQy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-06T16:58:27.830+0000)

tbf pretty much any mid champ is gonna be trash to people like Faker with akali irelia aatrox LB, etc. around.

Zed still has above 10% pick rate and 50% win rate in diamond+. Zed isnt weaker than many other assassins that cant compete with bruisers/mages mid like Fizz and many other outdated mages.

check ur facts bro...

MissMikasa8 votes

No. He's not weak. The meta is just not that good for him compared to other assassins.

Any type of buff will make him over the top 100% banned in low elo, and that is not fair to them just to appease the "high elo" players.

CelestialPlateau7 votes

{quoted}

No. He's not weak. The meta is just not that good for him compared to other assassins.

Any type of buff will make him over the top 100% banned in low elo, and that is not fair to them just to appease the "high elo" players.

This is kind of wrong. He is outright weak and not doing what he should be able to do, meta against him and all.

No one should care about low elo 'fairness'. Competitive validity should be paramount.

MissMikasa4 votes

Nope.

He is downright strong as hell.

Even if he was better in "high elo," just the way he is won't ever make him that good in competitive. Assassins aren't good team fighters, and pro play is all about team fights and champs that do well in that so again, he doesn't need to be played well there.

He is not weak. And yes, any buffs will just make him over the top in lower elos.

And yes, it's not fair to make him overpowered low but "good" in high. At all, period.

BD Spartan4 votes

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MissMikasa1 votes

1- I don't ignore them.

2- Reported for elo shaming.

and 3- he is not weak at all.

Good bye.

BD Spartan1 votes

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MissMikasa1 votes

No, they don't.

Reported. I do have knowledge and skill of the game to have an opinion. EVERYONE has a right to their opinion, regardless of rank so stop it.

He is not weak. Just because others outclass him does not mean he's weak.

Learn to be respectful.

BD Spartan1 votes

You can have your opinion, but when your opinion is the blatant opposite of some of the best players in the world maybe you should reconsider your thought process and your own validity

MissMikasa1 votes

My process and validity are just fine.

When hundreds of people disagree with the best players in the world, then something is wrong here.

#Bye

BD Spartan1 votes

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MissMikasa1 votes

[{quoted}](name=BD Spartan,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GUtxIIQy,comment-id=0002000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-10T01:13:17.038+0000)

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And since you can't respond without elo shaming, I'll be ignoring you now.

Good bye.

BD Spartan1 votes

My response wasn't elo shaming LOL, you just couldn't formulate a response because I'm correct so you reported it

MissMikasa1 votes

No, you aren't correct and yes you were elo shaming because the mods got onto you about it- hence the deletion of your comment.

**I don't argue with people who can't argue their stance respectfully. ** Period.

BD Spartan1 votes

If it was true you could argue your stance back you would have already or would have on any other board but you haven't

FOR JUSTICE7 votes

inb4 the boards goes ballistic once they decide to buff him

LeftyRaydy2 votes

Zed does not need buffs he needs tweaks on his play style, right now Zed can control when a trade happens you cannot force it on him unless he uses his W. He can farm safely with Q and as long as he only uses his W when the lane is pushing his way he is insanely safe compared to other champions. He needs more counterplay and not item 3157 that is just stupid that it completely kills his ult. its like him getting a item 3156 its just not efficient for Assassins early game. he is a lane Monster because of his ability to determine when to fight, but this makes him lackluster in team fights. He needs a rework and I would say his W and R are in definite need of a rework and or heavy tweaking to give him some more power with team fighting. The way he is buffing his damage or cooldowns would make his laning phase harder to deal with so he definitely needs something else.

Sexy Jack Rabbit7 votes

As a mage only player I'll be the first say Zed is poopoo garbage. I think I only saw Zed played in my games a maximum of 20 or so times from the start of season 8 to now. I think it's partly due to how easy it is to poke him out with his lack of sustain (fuck akali) in this meta.

That said Zed being an Assassin that does better later is of no shock because his Ult passive or w/e copies a portion of the AD from the Enemy. Which is a stat that scales. So naturally he'll scale better.

BestPudgeNA1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sexy Jack Rabbit,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GUtxIIQy,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2018-12-07T04:25:50.353+0000)

As a mage only player I'll be the first say Zed is poopoo garbage. I think I only saw Zed played in my games a maximum of 20 or so times from the start of season 8 to now. I think it's partly due to how easy it is to poke him out with his lack of sustain (fuck akali) in this meta.

That said Zed being an Assassin that does better later is of no shock because his Ult passive or w/e copies a portion of the AD from the Enemy. Which is a stat that scales. So naturally he'll scale better.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/oce/silver/champion/Zed/

Zed has a 14% Pick rate and a 40% Ban Rate in your region and elo.

That's literally the second highest behind Yasuo. Like WTF are you talking about?

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

I'm a silver player in the OCE region, playing well is not our forte

SwiftKitten886 votes

zed does not go below 49% in ANY elo. and in still managing a nearly 50% ban rate.

to even be consider buffing him is absurd

why the hell are we comparing him to champions like Jax Akali Irelia Kassadin Aatrox

ALL of those are some of the best champion in the game and most if not all could do with nerfs, and at least 3 of them desperately need those nerfs.

if u compare yourself to people who are blatantly broken then OF COURSE your going to "look weak"

i haven't mid laned in a while so i cant speak for mid lane's current balance.

but seriously anyone is going to look weak when u compare he to the best champs in the game...

Fire Blaustoise2 votes

why the hell are we comparing him to champons like Jax Akali Irelia Kassadin Aatrox

cause he play against them in most game. Kassadin isnt toptier tho.

Sulghunter4 votes

Here's an idea, instead of buffing an assassin, how about nerfing the ever loving crap out of everyone's damage, with the exception of Zed?

That way, Zed's damage will look good by comparison. Oh, and it will make the game far more enjoyable to play/watch as everyone won't have to fear that a single ability would blast off half their health outside of an ult, but that's just a minor side effect. The only result is that people will feel that trades or small skirmishes won't be so risky, but I think it is an acceptable change if it means Zed will become relevant. [slayer-jinx-wink]

fire2633 votes

I mean, to be fair this honestly would be healthier for the game lol, but since it will never happen I will just asked for some zed buffs c:

TotalJerk1 votes

Zed's damage is just awful. Outside of small windows he does not have the damage to assassinate most champions in the mid game if he doesn't stomp his lane.

R is for Reset4 votes

They won't buff his damage, just his utility which he desperately needs. He is far from being a mobile champion if his only escape and poke ability is on a 22 second cooldown.

FéliXXX3 votes

there is an eu challenger player that asked a lot for zed buffs as well hes ign is diablo v2 (he renamed from zedrinos) and he had to stop playing zed in high elo.

Thefrostyviking3 votes

Thing is, Zed needs to have less damage than Kassa and Akali because he screws carrys way harder than they do until much later. his playstyle and poking has far less counterplay than either Akali or kass being only better than LB in it, his kit hasnt aged well at all in this sense.

Kassadin? Legitimately doesnt really do anything except roam unless you pick bad fights against him, all he does is farm and roam until later where he looks to make picks or do followup,,,,,not really a playmaker in any sense and his old kit also lacks counterplay later on at least he has a sufficiently weak early/mid for it to be alright, like he cant kill anything unless they screw up a lot.

Akali? While i agree that her post 6 ability to engage with her first ult is nasty to deal with as a carry her E and need to back off a distance before going back in still gives her sufficient counterplay, and her poke is the weakest one and most easily punished.

Zed? Similar to kassa in a sense that he wont do anything particular up to 6 but after that he will take any chance at all to just jump in, land hits in under a second then jump around once or twice while waiting for you to die, his poke is also by far the one that lacks counterplay the most since it both hurts and has massive range unless you stack armor, and while he is weaker without his W at the same time he can just do it twice and then go ham and get a kill so what does it matter?

While i think Akali might still be slightly overtuned and her "true stealth" is obnoxious she does at least have clear windows of weaknesses where she can be punished, and even several of them in a drawn out fight which makes dealing with her far more pleasing than with Zed who you either throw a stun or something to that effect the moment he ults behind you or you die, straight up die.

Or you Zhonya and explode anyway the moment you come out of it unless he´s diving balls deep 1v5.

Akali? E can be abused by her opponent, the need to back off to activate her passive can be abused and even her need to land her second ult dash can be punished.

So what is Zed´s issue and why should he never be buffed?

Shitty kit that needs a rework is what, because no matter what changes go through he will either be broken or useless, either he is hardcountered by tabi+zhonya and cant do shit or he isnt and is one of the most frustrating things anyone will ever play against.

"TL DR".

Zed´s kit has aged poorly and needs a akali level rework where he has multiple windows of counterplay to justify any kind of greater power pumped into it, because as it is now he will always either be useless or broken in high elo no matter what small changes go through.

fluzz6 votes

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Thing is, Zed needs to have less damage than Kassa and Akali because he screws carrys way harder than they do until much later.

That sentence contradicts itself

Thefrostyviking1 votes

Not at all, its a matter of how easy it is to do their job that dictates how rewarding it should be.

Zed has the easiest time by far being able to blink around, having almost no delays and only a brief window where you can actually hit him back if he goes all in, this means his reward should proportionally be the smallest.

His poke is also the easiest and safest.

Kassadin burns his mana like hell early and he has the shortest range and also most limited mobility between its exponentially rising cost and high cooldown thus he should also do the most damage but he stays in melee range the entire time while doing it putting himself at considerable risk.

Akali is between Zed and kassa but her passive and E and the way her R works affords her enemies counterplay against her which justifies her having a higher level of power.

And in my opinion, while Akali´s Shroud has obnoxious elements her kit is by far the most healthy out of the three and Zed is probably the least.

Well LB is still worse but oh well, one can only hope she gets the kalista/ryze/azir treatment.

SSW Talon3 votes

Lets break this down

No, Zed does not need to have less damage than Akali or Kass because he screws carries harder, considered all 3 absolutely assfuck carries in about the same way but Akali and Kass are not countered as hard as Zed is by either Zhonya or GA. His poke pattern is fine and it most certainly has counterplay, you can't get any more counterplay than the brunt of the poke being 2 linear skillshots.

Kass is relevant from level 6 onward, both in lane and in roams, his potency in lane with all the buffs he got in s8 made him have greater agency earlier, he comes online too early for how well he scales and he has much less counterplay than Zed.

Akali has obscurity as a strength to offset her particularly weak poke pattern, her disengage/re-engage play pattern is notably powerful and allows a competent Akali to execute more than one person at a time, but she does have sufficient counterplay outside of her W for sure, unpopular opinion around here but I think if Akali W became a stealth like her old one and power were more evenly distributed amongst her kit, she'd be the best designed assassin by miles.

Zed can all-in at level 4 in some lanes, he doesn't strictly have to wait until level 6 to all-in. Kassadin actually has a level 2 cheese but it's pretty hard to do and requires flash. These champs aren't bound to the level 6 spike, however you need to be exceptional at both to get their full potential out of course. Zed killing you at 6 is probably gonna take 2-3 Qs depending on your hp, an E weaved into the combo, an auto to proc passive and ignite + R of course. I'd say if you couldn't dodge any of his skillshots, you couldn't cc a single part of his all in or in worst case scenario, didn't flash his combo if it was up, he deserves to kill you. What would an assassin do if it couldn't even kill people? His poke as I stated before doesn't lack counterplay, it doesn't outrange a fair number of mages and it includes 2 skillshots. Play around the 22 second cd of his W so he has to think more carefully about just throwing it down to poke you all the time with no repercussions.

Akali doesn't seem overtuned to me anymore tbh, as I said previously I'd like her W to lose power so she could have better power budget elsewhere, but we'll see if Riot do that when they do the kit work to her that they stated they will. Yes she is punishable when her R is used or when her W goes down, Zed is punishable when his W goes down and when his R has been expended. Both will straight up kill someone when used by a good assassin player anyway.

Zhonya shits on Zed pretty hard I gotta be honest with you.

Zed R can be abused by his opponent, you can flash him into a turret or your team to get cc'ed just like you can with Akali E, her E also throws her out of the passive ring so she gets a passive proc if it hits you. Zed reliance on his ultimate can be punished, his long escape cd can be punished, his bad AoE can certainly be punished and where his R positions him when he materialises never changes so that, too, can be punished.

Zed needs buffing as of current however he is not the only assassin who needs buffs. His kit is fine and in my opinion he is one of the best assassin designs Riot ever put out with clear strengths, weaknesses and sufficient counterplay. I respect not everyone will agree with me and that's okay, too.

2quick4u21 votes

You do make really valid points. I find Zed's kit also fine but maybe a really mini-rework on his e would be nice. I also want to say that item 3157 doesn't counter Zed just because of it active, but also because of item 3191 's passive since you get 45 armor and ap from 1100 gold, which counters item 3134 really hard.

Fire Blaustoise2 votes

Thing is, Zed needs to have less damage than Kassa and Akali because he screws carrys way harder than they do until much later. his playstyle and poking has far less counterplay than either Akali or kass being only better than LB in it, his kit hasnt aged well at all in this sense.

How his poking has less counterplay ???? Kassadin just point and clic you from range, Akali has 1,5 sec of cd.

Zed? Similar to kassa in a sense that he wont do anything particular up to 6 but after that he will take any chance at all to just jump in, land hits in under a second then jump around once or twice while waiting for you to die, his poke is also by far the one that lacks counterplay the most since it both hurts and has massive range unless you stack armor, and while he is weaker without his W at the same time he can just do it twice and then go ham and get a kill so what does it matter?

The real issue here, isnt Zed, its YOUR laning.

Or you Zhonya and explode anyway the moment you come out of it unless he´s diving balls deep 1v5.

i would like seeing this in decent elo.

Zed´s kit has aged poorly and needs a akali level rework where he has multiple windows of counterplay to justify any kind of greater power pumped into it, because as it is now he will always either be useless or broken in high elo no matter what small changes go through.

no. He's in this state cause riot powercreeped mages and nerfed the sht out assassins items. And they added this sht item 2419

Thefrostyviking1 votes

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How his poking has less counterplay ???? Kassadin just point and clic you from range, Akali has 1,5 sec of cd.

Less range, much less if Zed uses W, and it deals less damage too.

Akali Q is only slightly longer than Yas Q and it deals the least damage out of all the poking aroud.

The real issue here, isnt Zed, its YOUR laning.

The issue is that he is always either broken or useless, nothing in between.

Either he can dive ontop of his target and kill them easily or alternatively he can waveclear and poke so easily that he can kill them and thus be useful, or he cant do these and he is garbage.

i would like seeing this in decent elo.

See a Zed drop a shadow on someone using zhonya and deleting them the moment it expires? If the Zed isnt doing this in your elo then are they just farming and never fighting their targets once they start building against him?

no. He's in this state cause riot powercreeped mages and nerfed the sht out assassins items. And they added this sht item 2419

Powercreeped mages? What the actual fk?

Mages has had literally everything nerfed, over and over and over, waveclear, mana, AP and even their runes, the only buff i can even recall in the last 2 seasons was to liandry because they were too shit against tanks and health stackers.

Powercreep has happened but not to the mages, rather the main ones are marksmen, supports, tanks (pre tons of nerfs) and now the main ones are the fighters like Jax/irelia/aatrox.

And stopwatch? Are you serious?

People in solo lanes hit lvl 6 around 6-7 minutes into the game,.........and stopwatch can only be used once.

Sure, it was broken when it was first added having almost no delay but by now its nothing?

Hells even if a mage uses perfect timing for the free stopwatch that doesnt even activate until 10 minutes, and even with the item CDR it gives Zed can still ult at least once before it comes back up, later on he can ult twice.

Lets be objective, Zed is an assassin,his job is to delete carries and he comes into power early on into the game, his main way to do this is to ult them, use abilities then run away.

So what happens if Zed can delete carries with his combo? He succeeds and is useful and probably helps his team win.

What happens if his combo doesnt work for whatever reason or he is prevented from even performing it? He is shit, maybe even utter and completely useless stinking shit.

This is what i mean, Zed is a massive hit or miss champ that can only ever be useful or useless.

The reason Akali is by far better than him is that even if she fails to kill her target on her own she can still provide a massive threat and zoning with her shroud, this partially goes for kassadin as well given that his combo has a much shorter cooldown later on meaning he can go in and out of a fight as well.

Talon has the exact same issue as Zed, either he works and he is great or he doesnt and he is terrible.

TotalJerk3 votes

Zed simply does not do enough fucking damage unless he's fed. His kit is fine but his numbers are just hot ass. Most mages can just go item 3027 item 3157 and then proceed to never think about you again. Most of the people on these boards bitching about Zed are probably just salty that they can't just rush item 3285 item 3089 every game.

Rıots Bad Client2 votes

what about Removing darkharvest(Or reworking it)

So that it disables items actives and summoner spells for 6 seconds if they get the target under 50%

Fire Blaustoise2 votes

Zed can't use anything other electrocute (cause Zed lack of damage).

Ifneth2 votes

What if, instead of multiple Shuriken hits on the same champion dealing less damage, Zed’s shadows just did less damage overall? He’s the Master of Shadows, not the Mage of Shadows. His gameplay should be about him.

With less damage on shadow Shurikens and Slashes, Zed would have less waveclear on his W-E-Q combo, and players trapped between two Shuriken could choose to walk into the Shadow one. He would affect other lanes less and be less rewarded for ‘fishing’ with his multiple simultaneous projectiles.

To compensate, Zed would receive a higher level scaling of his passive and higher initial base damage of E, to encourage all-ins and force him to walk up to waveclear. His passive could also be modified to halve his current W cooldown.

Munching Circles2 votes

They removed multiple hits doing less damage a long time ago.

Fire Blaustoise2 votes

Nothing new tbh, Zed is same as Wukong (better during late-mid/late game). itemizations is trashy (if you compare to other class). Some already tried to talk about this, but they're downvoted to hell cause pleb got stomped by theses noob stomper.

item 2419 item 3191 item 3157 are seens as weak on this board [sg-miss-fortune]

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