Fall of the support? Bottom lane synergy

SpaceVixen··2 votes·1,111 views

In norms in solo queue I've noticed 3 things that have been abysmally terrible lately.

  1. In my games, 1-2 out of every 10 supports get sightstone/vision or even think it's their job to do. Worse it's been in years imo. I think this has to do with the rise in non-traditional supports lately. (I.E. Nidalee support responds "Nidalee isn't a support" when asked why no sightstone, yeah but you queued as support soooo)
  2. ADCs not letting their supports use Relic Shield charges. There is a blue charge literally floating around Leona in plain sight and she furiously swinging away at the large minion..... and Jinx waaaaits for it... and last shots. "Jinx! Let me kill large ones please" "okay" 1 minute later last shots "JINX!" "oops". Rinse and repeat. It can be confusing when the support swings at everything (supports please don't swing at everything, timing man.) but when the support literally only attacks when there is a charge present, that attack should be a clear indicator to the ADC not to attack that minion. There is literally NO benefit to the ADC and in fact it hurts them. You lose the tiny bit of HP and your support falls behind in farm. Underfunded support means weaker bottom lane which is bad for ADC. I have to mention my charges I would say.. 2 out of every 3 times I play with a random ADC and of those times I mention it I would say less than half of the time does the ADC completely correct their behavior.
  3. Supports going off alone to push lanes etc. Stay with the ADC but if not stay with SOMEONE. Leona can roam and gank but don't go and try to push top alone?! The support will say "I'm not dying!" or "I just cleared that wave!" Yes but top or mid couldve cleared that wave 2-3 times as fast and your stun/slow/hook would've been really useful in that last fight. Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean its the BEST USE of your skills.

I just feel like supports themselves and the rest of the team aren't taking the role of support seriously since the last few patches. Traditional support skills like hooks, slows, and stuns etc. aren't being picked as much, vision isn't being used and the "buddy system" for supports isn't coming it to play. You're not going to carry as a support, but that doesn't mean you can't win or lose the game for your team.

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Sukishoo4 votes

In my games, 1-2 out of every 10 supports get sightstone/vision or even think it's their job to do. Worse it's been in years imo. I think this has to do with the rise in non-traditional supports lately. (I.E. Nidalee support responds "Nidalee isn't a support" when asked why no sightstone, yeah but you queued as support soooo)

Cause it's not their job... hasn't been since season 3. Warding is up to the entire team.

SpaceVixen1 votes

Warding is always up to the whole team. I ward no matter which role I'm in but I'm not going to get a scanner when I top. Support and Jungle should have more of a hand in that than any other role especially in normals vs ranked or pro. To deny support is main ward... I'm sorry but I really disagree.

Xonra2 votes

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Cause it's not their job... hasn't been since season 3. Warding is up to the entire team.

As a support main, it is our job. The support has the sight stone, which means more wards than anyone else will have at any point. While it isn't ONLY the supports job, it is MAINLY the supports job. It is when you have out 3 wards and a pink, and still no one else will ward, that it is dumb.

Though I've seen plenty of supports who have a sightstone and the map is pitch black, or the support who think they are badasses (or didn't want to support in the first place) who go like, annie with no SS and all ap (and feed and fail and get ganked constantly), or the blitz who thinks he is a badass and rushes random ap items and doesn't get a SS till about 25 minutes.

SpaceVixen1 votes

Yeah when supports get SS at like 25-30 minutes in and are like "whats the problem? i got it" Ya laning phase is over and bot lane got ganked and killed 4 times bro good job!

Xonra2 votes

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Yeah when supports get SS at like 25-30 minutes in and are like "whats the problem? i got it" Ya laning phase is over and bot lane got ganked and killed 4 times bro good job!

No my fav is when that same person just goes "well you guys should have warded more. not my job to ward the entire map" no it is your job to ward your area of the map lol If I'm the top laner, pretty sure I'm not warding bot lane during laning phase.

Sukishoo3 votes

I'm a support main and it isn't the job of the support. Yes, you should have a sightstone early but it's the job of the entire team to keep warding under control. Even when I play ADC I will buy wards.

Aeolian Melodies1 votes

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As a support main, it is our job. The support has the sight stone, which means more wards than anyone else will have at any point. While it isn't ONLY the supports job, it is MAINLY the supports job. It is when you have out 3 wards and a pink, and still no one else will ward, that it is dumb.

Though I've seen plenty of supports who have a sightstone and the map is pitch black, or the support who think they are badasses (or didn't want to support in the first place) who go like, annie with no SS and all ap (and feed and fail and get ganked constantly), or the blitz who thinks he is a badass and rushes random ap items and doesn't get a SS till about 25 minutes.

  1. It's not "our job" anymore. You can have up to three wards up on the map (four with a pink) just like everyone else, and most people take the yellow trinket for freebie wards and DON'T EVEN USE THEM. It's an aberration that at any given point there are only three wards on the map and they are MINE. When you see the pro games, EVERYONE wards and many people buy pinks.

  2. If ANYONE wants to be able to place down nearly as many wards as a support with SS, they only need to pay 250g for item 3361 - 250g is hardly going to delay any build.

nordking2 votes

Well i think the problem is that not many people main support champs and most supports are last picks or picked them beacuse the team threatens to report them

HeeroTX2 votes

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Well i think the problem is that not many people main support champs and most supports are last picks or picked them beacuse the team threatens to report them

People pick oddball supports in Teambuilder sometimes also. (less so than in Blind I assume, but it happens)

SpaceVixen1 votes

Nidalee and Katerina bot lane the other day... Katarina was the one taking all the farm said she "wasn't support" They really do pick odd things. Like people think 2 in lane will take heat off of them and allow them to farm and kill more easily... yeah but only takes heat off of you if they have stun shield etc to help. otherwise you're just 2 squishies lining up for slaughter.

SpaceVixen1 votes

Yeah I really think this may be the main contributing factor. People get stuck supporting when they don't want to so they're like I'll supp but I'm gonna build full AD or full AP and also try to carry! Like no. Support is made out to be like... a "lesser" class. If I go 5/0/32 on Leo I feel like a baller I don't need 30 kills.

HeeroTX2 votes

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In norms in solo queue I've noticed 3 things that have been abysmally terrible lately.

  1. ADCs not letting their supports use Relic Shield charges.

As an addendum, if you're support:

  1. Take the cannon minion
  2. Don't blow your charges on casters unless the health is needed

I see too many supports barrel into lane and just blow the charges as fast as possible, or in some cases, even stop using them after the very first wave. I admit I've "stolen" some minions that should go to relic, but USUALLY (not always) it's because the support waits WAY too late to attack. (Tip if you're not used to relic, it executes minions with significantly higher HP than my early shots, if the minion is down to 50 HP, I'm gonna shoot it so it doesn't get killed by other minions)

SpaceVixen1 votes

Yeah I see that many times to which is why I say if you're a support who swings at everything just to "help clear faster" and I'm used to seeing you hit things then walk off and throw off my timing as ADC and make me miss them then ya you're fault and you're gonna lose farm bc I'm last shotting. But when I Leona I literally only go for cannon or melee minions and I will not swing if I don't have a charge. And I will even start to attack the cannon minion at full health just to show full well in advance I have targetted him. It's almost like ADC thinks its not a big deal like 'support gets shorted on gold anyway so whats the difference' But it does make a big difference!

HeeroTX1 votes

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And I will even start to attack the cannon minion at full health just to show full well in advance I have targetted him. It's almost like ADC thinks its not a big deal like 'support gets shorted on gold anyway so whats the difference' But it does make a big difference!

Those ADCs are dicks. They probably also claim to be the only good player on their team when you feed them 15 kills.

SpaceVixen1 votes

Yes no love for supports :(

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(Tip if you're not used to relic, it executes minions with significantly higher HP than my early shots, if the minion is down to 50 HP, I'm gonna shoot it so it doesn't get killed by other minions)

Relic only has the execute damage if the support is melee. Granted most relic shield users are melee but some common ones like Thresh are not.

SpaceVixen1 votes

Although I will say I have seen a lot more traditional supports just very recently... since 5.15.

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

"a role is traditionally supposed to do something" - false

SpaceVixen1 votes

Why have roles at all then? By definition a role has... well a role to play.

AyRe CoNteMpT1 votes

there are 3 lanes and one jungle to farm. this means, out of five champions, either two share farm or one doesnt get any. out of this predicament, the "support" was born: a champion who doesnt need high level or many items to be impactful and contribute something to the team.

first, there is no law that forces the fifth player to not farm second, there is no fixed set of rules that determines what exactly the fifth player has to do to "support" his team third, this is a trend that has developed in league of legends over the years. it is by no means defined by the rules of the game

Krigjer1 votes

Supports going off alone to push lanes etc. Stay with the ADC but if not stay with SOMEONE. Leona can roam and gank but don't go and try to push top alone?! The support will say "I'm not dying!" or "I just cleared that wave!" Yes but top or mid couldve cleared that wave 2-3 times as fast and your stun/slow/hook would've been really useful in that last fight. Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean its the BEST USE of your skills.

If no one else is doing it, I'll do it myself. Most of the time I try to stick by someone's side, because that's where I'm most useful. But If the entire team is clearing the jungle, I get nothing from it, not even experience half the time.

SpaceVixen1 votes

Yeah I know, that's super frustrating /: when you're team is like 30-12 kills and you have 1 tower down and they have 5. It's like ANY one wanna push ANY lane?? I don't blame a morg for going off to clear bc she can do it relatively quick. Sometimes though we're teamfighting and tahm is our only tank and he's like top lane literally just holding it still not even pushing bc he can only clear quick enough to stop push and not actually push. (not saying tahm couldnt ever push I'm just giving an example) and I'm just like pleeeease help. Or the support that is like 0/14 and everyone else has only died 4 times. Like... BUDDY SYSTEM PLEASE.

Aeolian Melodies1 votes

I am not going to vote because I main support therefore cannot have an opinion on the supports on my team, because... it's me. And I play traditional supports and rush SS, lol.

You said solo queue and basically answered to your own questions by saying that, but I'll bite anyway:

  1. As long as the support placed three wards down, their vision job is done. You don't have a single word to say about it if I press tab and I see that your trinket is off CD and you have 0 wards on the map. You also don't get to decide whether the support buys a item 2049 or buys actual item 2044 or even upgraded item 3361 and relies on pinks to clear the enemy wards. So long as the wards are out there, it isn't your problem.

  2. That has got to be annoying but I don't play supports who use Relic Shield, so, yeah.

  3. I always want a teammate to get that huge wave. But if none of them is going because they are on the other side of the map side pushing, dead, or just plain blind to my pings, I am not letting this gold go to waste and possibly losing a turret because "the gold shouldn't go on the support hurrr". Come and get it or deal with the fact that I'm going. I actually find that it's a mistake some supports make to let gold go to waste when it's not going to be claimed by anyone else on their team. Better on teammates than you, yes, but better on YOU than in the void.

DarkDeamonDragon1 votes

I'm a support main so I'm not going to participate in the poll because, personally, I feel I perform the role well. I do pick up a Sightstone because, like it or not, I will be the one putting most of the wards down in a game. There have been many times where my team expects me to ward everywhere even though I already have 4 wards (3 stealth 1 vision) on the map. With the limit on how many wards that can be placed down per player it shouldn't be the supports job to ward the map, but it is. I can't tell you how many times I've had 30+ wards in a game when my teammates have had less than 10, if any at all.

I've also run into ADC's that have no idea what the Relic Shield does. This has been happening less lately, but I have been flamed before for "stealing farm" when I go to use a charge. Not that I stop doing it of course, but the hostility is completely unnecessary when it's mutually beneficial. It might be because of my ELO but if ADC's learned more about what the support gold items do, the lane would be better for it.

I try to only push lanes if I'm playing a support that can easily be built as a carry, and pings to take down a wave approaching a tower have been ignored. Otherwise I'm sticking to whoever my carry is (not necessarily the ADC) or I'm roaming around the map to ward.

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