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Riven seriously needs some changes

crunchymunchys··9 votes·1,044 views

why is that riven's only determining factor on if they win or lose is how good they are with the champ? I understand maining a champ has its benifits (eve main since s2) but you shouldn't be able to single handly carry an even game as just one champ, let alone miss half your abilities and still kill a marksman. I know this is another whine post but Riven is in serious need of change or nerf. she has no weak levels other than level one and everyone is limited at lvl 1 as it is. armour doesn't affect her damage because she just builds armour pen so her abilities and extremely over tuned auto based passive will hurt. Shes and AD caster with almost no limits oh how well she can be and the fact that she has no issue taking zero magic resist in her runes to get more CD which than makes her go from being balanced to overpowered. Riven has gap closer, steroids, ranged based execution, wall jumping. Her kit is way too overloaded to warrant the amount of damage she can do while taking very little due to her shield. Keep her skill level high but don't let her kit become something that can win fights single handly when its a equal game.

P.s. silences keep getting nerfed so shes rising in power due to having one less hard counter

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Jamaree7 votes

Why were you building lifesteal on Nasus?

Edit: Honestly, I don't think she is that bad, annoying as fuck when ahead, but don't think she is all that bad, likely because I know how to play against her and counter her with my main, but meph.

crunchymunchys2 votes

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Why were you building lifesteal on Nasus?

Edit: Honestly, I don't think she is that bad, annoying as fuck when ahead, but don't think she is all that bad, likely because I know how to play against her and counter her with my main, but meph.

lifesteal is op, but nah i sort of just gave up and started to build what ever that game because i couldn't do anything nor could my team. she 1/3 me on just her q's alone due to how powerful her passive actually is (i think that truly needs to be nerfed slightly)

Jamaree3 votes

I don't even think her passive is that bad, she is a lane bully, you can't fight her early, especially as Nasus, you play passive, stack armor and then slowly wittle her down, especially if she is forced to build armor pen instead of sustain to even damage you and with how poor her health regen is, that damage is going to stick. I find her no more annoying or busted as Renekton when it comes to laning, difference is she does more damage late game at the cost of being more squishy.

crunchymunchys1 votes

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I don't even think her passive is that bad, she is a lane bully, you can't fight her early, especially as Nasus, you play passive, stack armor and then slowly wittle her down, especially if she is forced to build armor pen instead of sustain to even damage you and with how poor her health regen is, that damage is going to stick. I find her no more annoying or busted as Renekton when it comes to laning, difference is she does more damage late game at the cost of being more squishy.

Her passive is a huge chunk of her damage, if shes not using her passive correctly she won't kill you, not even close. her abilities are fine other than they make her passive extremely powerful, this is why riven mains will learn to animation cancel so they can land 2 autos faster than someone who is going through the animations its not because her attack animation is bad (its not the best but its surely manageable and defiantly doesn't need the animation cancelling in the first place other than to allow you to play her in masters)

Jamaree2 votes

When I said her passive, I should have said her as a whole. I don't mind all her damage, or her mobility because I know what she is, a lane bully, all lane bullies do that, Renekton did during his peak, as did Darius, and going farther back, so did Olaf. Just got to play back and passively away from them until they fuck up or you know you can win.

Matezoide3 votes

But muh health regen

But muh (Perfectly average) CDs early game

Dont think she is that bad either, but wouldnt mind some changes.

Dr Poro3 votes

I think she's a bit on the strong side and I think another small nerf should be handed out. Personally, I'd like to see her CD slightly hihger in the early game. Especially of her Q so that there's a bigger window of opportunity to get her when she used her 3rd Q.

Fertsa3 votes

Being able to slip in supercharged basic attacks DURING her q is a major part of what makes her broken but also is a major part of her skill cap.

AquariusGine1 votes

Riven is a bad teamfighter. If she uses her Q to get close, she loses a ton of damage. She is wrecked by CC harder than most mages and assassins and gets blown up easily if she tries to dive back line too early.

She's really good at skirmishing and split pushing, but I've never had problems dealing with her when it comes to teamfights.

Only exception is when the entire team fed hard. If the enemy team has already pushed you to base, don't expect to beat Riven. She's like every other snowball assassin.

crunchymunchys1 votes

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Riven is a bad teamfighter. If she uses her Q to get close, she loses a ton of damage. She is wrecked by CC harder than most mages and assassins and gets blown up easily if she tries to dive back line too early.

She's really good at skirmishing and split pushing, but I've never had problems dealing with her when it comes to teamfights.

Only exception is when the entire team fed hard. If the enemy team has already pushed you to base, don't expect to beat Riven. She's like every other snowball assassin.

she doesn't take amplified damage or duration to cc so i'm not fully sure how cc effects her more than other champs would. ive seen her use half her abilities to get onto an adc from tier 1 tower to tier 2 tower range and kill them with the last part of q, auto, w, and ulti. the carry has almost no choice in if they live or die unless the whole team makes sure riven can't do that sort of thing but will often lose the fight as if you were to focus a master yi only to be killed by the enemy vayne.

Win1Ocent1 votes

Riven does not need nerfs. Let me explain. There are different champions that excel at different stages of the game. We have the early advantage champions like in this case Riven, we have champions which scales alright with a nice kit like Maokai, and we have late game monsters who just outscale everything like Nasus.

In order for Riven (and other early game carries) to truly win a game all by herself, she has to win her lane. If she is up against a Maokai and goes even, i'd rather have a Maokai on my team anyday. All Maokai (and other champions like him) has to do to come out ahead is not die early. Which one is harder? Getting a kill or not dying?

Is Riven frustrating to play against? Early levels, yes, when she is 3/0 in lane, very much so. When she is 0/0/0 or worse, not so much. I could argue the same thing about Nasus, is it frustrating to play against him? Early level, not at all. Late game, oh yes.

You always have a choice against Riven, pick something that is hard for her to deal with and don't die. Also, armor helps a lot! Well, not if you're already behind, but grab a frozen heart or some other heavy armor item asap and she won't be able to keep up with the armor pen.

Just my 2 cents.

crunchymunchys1 votes

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Riven does not need nerfs. Let me explain. There are different champions that excel at different stages of the game. We have the early advantage champions like in this case Riven, we have champions which scales alright with a nice kit like Maokai, and we have late game monsters who just outscale everything like Nasus.

In order for Riven (and other early game carries) to truly win a game all by herself, she has to win her lane. If she is up against a Maokai and goes even, i'd rather have a Maokai on my team anyday. All Maokai (and other champions like him) has to do to come out ahead is not die early. Which one is harder? Getting a kill or not dying?

Is Riven frustrating to play against? Early levels, yes, when she is 3/0 in lane, very much so. When she is 0/0/0 or worse, not so much. I could argue the same thing about Nasus, is it frustrating to play against him? Early level, not at all. Late game, oh yes.

You always have a choice against Riven, pick something that is hard for her to deal with and don't die. Also, armor helps a lot! Well, not if you're already behind, but grab a frozen heart or some other heavy armor item asap and she won't be able to keep up with the armor pen.

Just my 2 cents.

Riven has no weak stage of the game other than level one where everyone is weak. she only scales harder into the game as she picks up items. she has almost no true counter so long as you are good enough with riven you will out play them all (this in includes chogath) the only person who puts up a fight is darius but even then riven ends up hitting lvl 8 and wins while hes gotten 2 kills on her.

SergeantSnugglez1 votes

Just played a ranked with riven beating our Panth top pretty bad. Guess what? we still won. I was support volibear, peeled for my squishies and EXHAUSTED her. Seriously why are people still complaining about riven in this meta? Counterpick her with Garen and just win. If you have a comp with no peel or exhaust then that's your own damn fault.

BluePolarizer1 votes

AD casters naturally fall off compared to autoattackers. That alone makes her a very risky pick.

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