So I fought Zed for the first time in forever...

Spôôked·Jul 20, 2016·25 votes·1,993 views

And I was seriously about to fucking cry, it was so frustrating.

He`s banned so often and now I remember why

His ult finishes you even over half health His poke is annoying and safer than ANYTHING His escape is extremely safe His ult and get out with the click of a button is frustrating because you can never kill him if he times it right His damage is stupid and theres _**nothing**_ you can do if youre a squishy His ability to stick to you is insane Zhonyas does absolutely fucking **NOTHING** because he can just buy Black Cleaver and shred the sad excuse of armor stats Zhonyas gives you He can ult you two, maybe even three, times while your Zhonya`s is on cooldown

Honestly, hes major bullshit to fight against, and I hope Rito completely redesigns him in the Assassin Update. Please balance him and stop compensating for thenerfs` you give him :L

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FioraWillCarryJul 20, 201610 votes

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And I was seriously about to fucking cry, it was so frustrating.

He`s banned so often and now I remember why

His ult finishes you even over half health His poke is annoying and safer than ANYTHING His escape is extremely safe His ult and get out with the click of a button is frustrating because you can never kill him if he times it right His damage is stupid and theres _**nothing**_ you can do if youre a squishy His ability to stick to you is insane Zhonyas does absolutely fucking **NOTHING** because he can just buy Black Cleaver and shred the sad excuse of armor stats Zhonyas gives you He can ult you two, maybe even three, times while your Zhonya`s is on cooldown

Honestly, hes major bullshit to fight against, and I hope Rito completely redesigns him in the Assassin Update. Please balance him and stop compensating for thenerfs` you give him :L

In other words you fed him. So this is what goes through the minds of all the feeders I get in every game. No wonder I can't climb. You feeders really need to learn how to play passive sometimes. Not lane is for you to go 7-0 and carry get praises for being the most awesome player yet.

Zero Skill TankJul 20, 20168 votes

It's not like playing vs unfed Zed feels any better. Yes, you can win with playing passively, but nobody enters the game to play uber-passively in 30% of matches. That's why when he was any strong he got his crazy banratio.

FioraWillCarryJul 20, 20165 votes

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It's not like playing vs unfed Zed feels any better. Yes, you can win with playing passively, but nobody enters the game to play uber-passively in 30% of matches. That's why when he was any strong he got his crazy banratio.

I never really had a problem with Zed, well after I hit level 30 anyway. I don't even ban him anymore. I can last hit under tower just fine. You want to talk about cancer, lets talk about Malz. Malz is fuckin Ebola. I don't know how anybody could think he is a fair champ to lane against.

LordGeovanniJul 20, 20162 votes

neither are zed does the same thing malz used to do and got reworked for except with shit ton more mobility and slightly less cc and compared to currnet malz fuk loads more damage as in lane poke

ArakadiaJul 20, 20163 votes

Playing against Zed doesnt force you to play super passive. It forces people to think and be warey. its stressful and you just have to respect him. As say... Syndra I can bully him out of lane. Most mages have either mobility or CC. If you cs'd well and got some poke, when he reaches six you can try to unload your combo fast enough to kill him.

Don't get me wrong it sucks balls to play against Zed and hes insanely safe, but I dont think you need to play "uber-passively" as you put it.

Zero Skill TankJul 20, 20163 votes

Except that Zed is a melee champion, so His Base stats alone prevent him from being bursted down, and if he is a aby risk of that somehow, there is still hexdrinker.

ArakadiaJul 21, 20162 votes

You make it sound like he's a tank.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 21, 20162 votes

Move over Tank Ekko and Tank Fizz, meet Tank Zed. New meta.

ArakadiaJul 21, 20161 votes

I'm not sure if your joking. But Tank Zed currently wouldn't work from my understanding. Fizz works because he's hyper mobile and has %health damage. Ekko works because he also has %health damage but also has utility. They also had good enough base damages. Zed doesn't really have insane base damage, no %health damage, and no utility.

AMYS GRAVEJul 21, 20161 votes

Zed's passive is 10% max HP magic damage, has a slow on his e, and the base damage on his q is nothing to scoff at. Give him the ghostblade + BC build and hed have enough armorpen to be a damage threat while also giving his teammates reduced armor on every target hit by his AOE abilities.

ArakadiaJul 22, 20161 votes

His passive deals 10% max hp ONLY against targets below 50% max hp.

You convienently forgot that his passive is only 6% for early game. Zed doesn't deal a lot of damage with his Q after the first. Nor does he deals constant, rapid fire amounts of physical damage so he's not going to be shredding much of the enemy teams armor.

His shaodw's E slows for a short amount, not like the large amounts of CC Fizz and Ekko have access to. He's also energy based so he can't be spamming even with high cdr.

His passive has a cooldown per target and has specific requirements, Ekko and Fizz can constantly deal % health damage while having more CC.

I don't think you understand why Tank Assassins work.

Slack KingJul 22, 20162 votes

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His passive deals 10% max hp ONLY against targets below 50% max hp.

You convienently forgot that his passive is only 6% for early game. Zed doesn't deal a lot of damage with his Q after the first. Nor does he deals constant, rapid fire amounts of physical damage so he's not going to be shredding much of the enemy teams armor.

His shaodw's E slows for a short amount, not like the large amounts of CC Fizz and Ekko have access to. He's also energy based so he can't be spamming even with high cdr.

His passive has a cooldown per target and has specific requirements, Ekko and Fizz can constantly deal % health damage while having more CC.

I don't think you understand why Tank Assassins work.

He is energy based, but he can get energy back by hitting his and his shadow skills. Meaning he can keep his energy high in a fight

ArakadiaJul 22, 20161 votes

He doesn't get I infinit energy. Look at all my points on why I doubt tank Zed would work.

Slack KingJul 22, 20161 votes

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He doesn't get I infinit energy. Look at all my points on why I doubt tank Zed would work.

Tank zed isnt bad actually, just isnt great either. Tank ekko only worked due to high base damage and infinite slow, combined with the godsend of tank ults getting to undo damage Fizz is just a problem entirely.

AMYS GRAVEJul 22, 20161 votes

His passive deals 10% max hp ONLY against targets below 50% max hp.

Its part of his kit, you claimed he didn't have it.

Zed doesn't deal a lot of damage with his Q after the first. Nor does he deals constant, rapid fire amounts of physical damage so he's not going to be shredding much of the enemy teams armor.

The damage it deals doesn't matter when considering how many black cleaver stacks it applies, it will apply them if it only does 1 damage.

His shaodw's E slows for a short amount, not like the large amounts of CC Fizz and Ekko have access to. He's also energy based so he can't be spamming even with high cdr.

you said he has no utility.... you're dismissing the utility he does have.

ArakadiaJul 22, 20161 votes

I don't play Zed often, it's not the end of the world that I made a mistake.

The damage does matter. Zed will be able to land 2-3 stacks of Cleave and then all he can do is auto attack you for cleave stacks.

He has no utility except a conditional slow. Fizz has two slows both being AoE and an AoE knock up. He also has damage amplification. Ekko has AoE stuns and slows and single target slows. It's really not comparable.

Zed has one conditional %health damage that you listed at max rank to make it sound stronger. Fizz and Ekko can keep auto attacking for % max health or use spells. Zed deals decent % health damage once then he has to wait a long time.

Zeds ultimate is basically just a gapcloser with some small damage. He can't get IBG unless you want to waste your gold on stats you can't use, and IBG is a big part of tank assassins damage. His ultimate scales with damage dealt by Zed meaning if he doesn't deal much damage his ult won't either. And if Zed does no damage he can't even process his conditional passive with a cooldown pet target.

Tank Ekko and Fizz aren't even comparable to Tank Zed.

SpôôkedJul 21, 20162 votes

My team gave him about 5 kills before he eventually killed me

A Bad MysticJul 20, 20166 votes

Zeds kinda meh atm. People just ban him cause they dont want to deal with his bullshit not because hes op.

LordGeovanniJul 20, 20161 votes

a champion with a bunch of bs in their kit is why we call them op

ArakadiaJul 20, 20165 votes

OP = over powered. BS =/= OP. OP can and often does = BS.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 20, 20166 votes

Zed It's all part of my master plan. Make everybody think i'm unstoppable so they permaban me. Then when people forget how to play against me, they let me back through the cracks and wreck them. Then they ban me again and then forget even more of my counters. It's a vicious cycle.

Syndra Are you just trying to make yourself feel better about your permaban?

Zed ... No.

TequilaZombieJul 21, 20163 votes

Yorick Bro, don't do that. I also thought it was a good idea. Look at me now...

TyrekGoldenspearJul 21, 20164 votes

Zed What. Have. I. Done. Syndra! Syndra What do you want? Zed I'm becoming Yoricked! Yoricked I tell you! item 3070 Syndra ... Who's Yorick? Zed You have to help me! How did you escape the ban hammer! Syndra Being Gorgeous helps. Zed Curses, all I have are these sweet ninja thighs! Syndra Being a difficult champion to play helps too. Zed But I am hard to play! Syndra ... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-- Zed I'm serious, why are you--- Syndra --HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Zed item 3070

TequilaZombieJul 21, 20163 votes

Yorick Urgot ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

ZurkerJul 21, 20162 votes

Warwick Hard to play zed reeally lol??? u know how hard it is to play me u need so much skill and map awareness and yellow sunglasses

TyrekGoldenspearJul 21, 20162 votes

Aatrox I also have a high skillcap. That totally explains my winrate. Evelynn Ditto. Zed Cripes, its the forgotten champions! Syndra! Don't let them get me! Syndra ....

What will she say? Tune in tomorrow for the stunning conclusion!

Guess what reader? You have the chance to decide Zed's fate!

Upvote for Zed to get the "good" ending.

Downvote for Zed to get the "bad" ending.

(good and bad are completely subjective depending on how you feel about Zed, in this case good and bad refer to how he would describe it.)

1 will be the starting point, I'll subtract 1 tomorrow to discount my automatic one, and depending on how it goes, I'll finish it.

BladeSteelJul 21, 20161 votes

EVERYONE KEEP THIS AT 1 SO ITS 0

TyrekGoldenspearJul 22, 20161 votes

Well, I figured it out. If it stays 0 tomorrow,~~ then you get to decide how it ends since it was your idea to keep it at 0. :P~~ I'll decide how it ends.

TyrekGoldenspearJul 22, 20161 votes

And now the thrilling conclusion!

Syndra You are pathetic. Permabanned yet as weak as ever. You are not worthy of me or my time. It's just like my new boyfriend said. Zed Hey I'm not pathe--hey what do you mean new boyfriend! Shen Yo.

Fin. XD

CerealBoxOfDoomJul 20, 20165 votes

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And I was seriously about to fucking cry, it was so frustrating.

He`s banned so often and now I remember why

His ult finishes you even over half health His poke is annoying and safer than ANYTHING His escape is extremely safe His ult and get out with the click of a button is frustrating because you can never kill him if he times it right His damage is stupid and theres _**nothing**_ you can do if youre a squishy His ability to stick to you is insane Zhonyas does absolutely fucking **NOTHING** because he can just buy Black Cleaver and shred the sad excuse of armor stats Zhonyas gives you He can ult you two, maybe even three, times while your Zhonya`s is on cooldown

Honestly, hes major bullshit to fight against, and I hope Rito completely redesigns him in the Assassin Update. Please balance him and stop compensating for thenerfs` you give him :L

Is it even possible for zeds ult to kill you at over 50% hp?

Death Mark: Stores a percentage of all physical and magic damage that Zed deals to the target while marked. The mark detonates at the end of its duration, dealing physical damage equal to the stored value plus 100% of his attack damage.

Stored Damage: 25 / 35 / 45%

at best it will deal 22.5% of your hp if you deal max damage I think. So his AD would have to be higher than 37.5% of your hp.

at 1500 hp that's 562.5 AD ad that's not including how much armor you have.

You should have a higher max hp than 1500 by the time zed does so much though unless you just did really bad

LordGeovanniJul 20, 20162 votes

with maxteries it is lots of mastieies give extra % damage and tld

ArakadiaJul 20, 20165 votes

His damage is stupid and theres nothing you can do if youre a squishy

You could get armor. Black Cleaver isn't that absurd on Zed because he doesn't do constant rapid fire physical damage nor have high attack speed. Zhonyas literally removes his ultimate's mark basically. He cannot ult you 3 times while zhonyas is on cooldown. If you build defensive items you will not pop so easily.

His ult finishes you even over half health

This isn't possible unless you fed him to fucking hell and back.

RalanrJul 20, 20169 votes

Mages don't see any armor items beyond hourglass. Telling them to build armor is usually ignored.

ArakadiaJul 20, 20163 votes

If Zed is quite fed its worth getting hourglasss and say... frozen heart if you need mana. Hourglass removes his ultimate so he shouldn't say that its no good.

RalanrJul 20, 20164 votes

I have never seen a Mage build frozen heart. The last person to recommend such an item was downvoted to oblivion.

Many mages refuse to build anything that doesn't give them more AP except boots. I'm very unsympathetic to them because of this.

Angry MonsterJul 20, 20163 votes

When was the last time Zed had to built anything but AD pen items?

SpôôkedJul 21, 20163 votes

Ryze

RalanrJul 21, 20163 votes

The one Mage who actually has mana scalings.

CatastropJul 20, 20162 votes

FH is kind of a crap suggestion, as someone's probably building it already so the aura is wasted, item 3025 would be better.

RalanrJul 20, 20161 votes

And if no one is?

CatastropJul 20, 20162 votes

Well, go ahead if that's the case, I was just saying that IBG would be more feasible because most of the time you might not be in range for the aura to be in effect or the aura's wasted because someone already has it. Personally though, I think IBG is a much better alternative to FH on a mage because it's a nice CC to set up skillshots or just to kite.

SpôôkedJul 21, 20163 votes

Zed can ult two to three times while Zhonya`s is on cooldown :L

ArakadiaJul 21, 20163 votes

Only twice. I've done the math and at full CDR and max rank he cannot ult you 3 times before Zhonyas is up.

Vistha KaiJul 20, 20164 votes

He cannot ult you 3 times while zhonyas is on cooldown.

Zed can easily ult you twice while Zhonya is on cooldown and you won't get Zhonya, before he's able to ult you about 4 times.

ArakadiaJul 20, 20163 votes

Its not like Zhonyas is your only escape from Zed ult. As you get Zhonyas he's getting damage so its not like he's gonna burst you at full hp necesarilly.

He can ult you 4 times but thats right after each other and a good Zed goes in at open windows. He doesn't ult everytime.

Vistha KaiJul 20, 20162 votes

Dude.

English. Speak it.

As you get Zhonyas he's getting damage so its not like he's gonna burst you at full hp necesarilly.

So... Zed's damage scales with HP? According to what you wrote here, Zed's damage doesn't increase as he's building... damage. Wut?

ArakadiaJul 20, 20163 votes

No need to be rude about it. What I mean is as you get armor and eventually Zhonyas, Zed is getting damage to counter it. Its not like he can kill you at full hp immediately after reaching 6 unless you eat 3 Q's and he has ignite.

Vistha KaiJul 20, 20163 votes

He automatically negates any armor you can get from Seeker's, not to mention it's a shitty item to begin with.

SpôôkedJul 21, 20162 votes

There arent much armor items for mages to buy besides Zhonyas that don`t give AP

Mages need a lot of AP so they can at least carry if their other teammates get behind :L

ArakadiaJul 21, 20162 votes

Mages don't need to go full damage. Zhonyas + a health HP item will tremendously. Hell, as Nidalee I'll get IBG and Visage if Im behind or we need a tankier champ.

Mages aren't reliant on full AP.