Riot can you please make Nautilus a solo laner instead of a support? Ideas

Zbskiller·Jan 17, 2020·1 votes·652 views

Nautilus as a support has too much cc in comparison to his competing picks. And that makes him too oppressive in lane with the way his hook and passive function. I believe those two abilities should be slightly reworked but keep their identity, as they make Nautilus the heavy cc tank he is.

Instead I think removing some power off of his Q and Passive would allow you to put more power into his W and E, and make him more of a fighter tank that can have an AP or Tanky build, which will make him more playable top and mid instead of support.

ALSO PLEASE MAKE HIS ULT A SKILL SHOT AND NOT JUST POINT AND CLICK. I'm pretty sure the amount of adc's or carries in general that get 100 to 0 because nautilus pressed R is ridiculous. This also makes it so that maybe it could get its base dmg back and require actual skill to use.

I main Nautilus in solo lanes and seeing him get nerfed is understandable obviously because of how insane he is botlane, but sucks due to him losing power in solo lanes.

8 Comments

OleandervineJan 17, 20201 votes

No, to all of this. Nautilus is fine as a support, and you don't want to crank that much CC into a solo laner, because then it becomes a nightmare. Also, his ultimate IS PERFECT AS IT IS. It's timed, it can knock up more than one person if they get in the way, and it's not an instant death like you're making it out to be.

ZbskillerJan 17, 20201 votes

Are you serious? He's getting nerfed again and trust me the nerf won't do anything. He'll still be insane botlane. A point and click knockup is perfect as it is? So you cant escape it no matter what? Not even with tenacity or cleanse or anything? What are you even saying? He already has a lot of CC in top and mid lane, I'm not saying they should add anything, in fact I'm saying nerf the Q and passive and perhaps add damage into E and W.

deadmendontlieJan 17, 20201 votes

They needed to nerf his base shield amount on w or the time it lasts. He can win almost every trade bot with just aftershock w. Yeah part of the issue is how much cc he does but he really only has 1 form of hard cc pre lvl 6. You cannot retaliate against him if he just q hits you then ws a good portion of your damage is just eaten by the shield. Also leo needs a nerd to by those standards since she does the same thing but instead has a shield that reduces damage taken. Which in all honesty they both need nerfs on there ws.

ZbskillerJan 17, 20201 votes

They already nerfed his base shield amount AND duration. If they nerf it even more the champion will be unplayable; which is what I want to AVOID at all costs. He's supposed to be a Vanguard Tank, which means he's in the frontline tanking an cc'ing enemies while doing some dmg. Lowering shield amount and duration will make him useless as a tank.

I agree with you, but that's why he's problematic botlane. That's why he should be a fighter type tank in top or mid lane because of how his kit works now. Which is why I suggested a range readjustment on Q.

I should also mention that if they decide to keep Q as it is, and nerf anything or everything else, he will be like Blitzcrank. What's the point of having two Blitzcranks in league?

deadmendontlieJan 17, 20202 votes

Instead they could just lower his w early and give it a bit more scaling late/boost to base late

ZbskillerJan 17, 20201 votes

I guess that would be fair to nerf his early laning phase but give him more power later. That's a sound argument I can get behind.

ParoeJan 17, 20201 votes

You dont quite seem to understand that any defensive tank makes for a viable support (rammus doesnt - hes an offensive tank). Nautilus also isnt balanced as a support, hes balanced as a laner. Hes also very susceptable to all-in comps and sustained burst champions like Vayne, Twitch, Draven, Xayah... Unless ahead, because hes not balanced as a support he actually has lane-capable base damage in his kit.

Also making his ult a skillshot is a terrible idea because the one counterplay to hyper mobility IS targeted hard CC. We need targeted abilities in league of legends, without them, champions like LB or zed have nothing to check them when they inevitably become roflstomp popular.

ZbskillerJan 17, 20201 votes

If Nautilus is a defensive Tank then idk what to tell you, because if his hook isn't an offensive ability idk what is. Same thing with his ult. Actually ALL OF HIS KIT is directed towards offensive. The only tool he has for defense is his cc, but that's not inherently defensive so what you said doesn't really make sense.

Secondly, he is somewhat balanced as a laner, except for the fact that people are abusing a solo laner in botlane due to flawed design on Riot's part. His hook is too abusable in bot lane, and trumps Pyke, Blitz AND Thresh hook. Those champs struggle to be botlane due to Nautilus just being so efficient as an aggressive support, which is what is broken with him.

And for your point with the ult, that is true, perhaps it isn't that good of a change but what you seem to be forgetting is that when it's used on anything else than a hyper mobile champion, it's just downright uncounterable and the champ just gets blown up by the Nautilus's teammates. So there's a design flaw in there too where it's too abusable sometimes and justifiable in other scenarios.