Give each player in a game 1 ban (10 total)

ScottieSeashells · 2014-12-30T07:01:34.417Z

This will fix many problems: 1) 3 bans per team is not enough anymore. 2) That first pick that called mid won't only ban what beats the champion he wants to play. 3) No arguing over which champs are op or not and calling each other idiots (leads to more losses than you think). 4) Will cut down ban time (instead of 45 seconds for each ban, everyone gets the same 20 seconds to ban at the same time). -When a champ gets banned, it goes grey for everyone at the same time so multiple people can't ban the same person. 5) Less people will troll bc "omg you didnt ban [newest champion]" 6) The entire TEAM gets to contribute to the TEAM'S bans without it all being dictated by the first pick. 7) Overall fairness Discuss.

ScottieSeashells·Dec 30, 2014·27 votes·2,242 views

This will fix many problems:

3 bans per team is not enough anymore.
That first pick that called mid won't only ban what beats the champion he wants to play.
No arguing over which champs are op or not and calling each other idiots (leads to more losses than you think).
Will cut down ban time (instead of 45 seconds for each ban, everyone gets the same 20 seconds to ban at the same time). -When a champ gets banned, it goes grey for everyone at the same time so multiple people can't ban the same person.
Less people will troll bc "omg you didnt ban [newest champion]"
The entire TEAM gets to contribute to the TEAM'S bans without it all being dictated by the first pick.
Overall fairness

Discuss.

27 Comments

bad manner kidJan 2, 20155 votes

Feel like this thread got hijacked by the "If you can't beat'm, ban'm!" argument. But that isn't what the OP said, and it's an ignorant argument.

There are double the champions that 6 bans was designed for. With any given combination of 111 champions, you can have a fair and balanced (and fun!) game. In other words, if 10 champions are banned it really doesn't limit your options.

With each player choosing one champion, you are keeping the same risk of "dumb bans" that any first pick would do, and you're also giving people the opportunity to vent their aggression on a champion they do not want to play against.

Bans (especially in norm) make the game more fun. If you're in the "I only play 3 super meta champions" club, maybe it's time you started learning and enjoying the game a bit more. You don't ever have to play 1,000 games with a champion to have some awesome games with them. Most champions you can figure out in a bot game and minimal internet research (ie lolwiki for stats and interactions.)

People get sick of the same champions, I know I do. I think with 10 bans this game would be a lot more interesting and not just "pick what challenger/pros pick and call everyone that doesn't a troll." I understand why the meta is the meta, and I understand that people are pressured to ban certain champions in certain patches, but the reality is maybe that champion causes too much pressure and since so many people agree, you shouldn't focus on playing that champion to win.

A Wise FoolDec 30, 20144 votes

all the people complaining about bans -_-.

Why not?
That doesn't happen often, usually banners listen to requests (not always)
That's their own problem. Very rarely a champion is op (and if they are, they're nerfed) usually its the player knowing how to use a champion.
Now that I agree with lol
I play a lot of draft... have only seen that once
Already covered (see complaint 2)
Agreed, that would be fair

Give me a champion and I'll give you the way to counter, there is no legit op champion right now

ChargeItDownMidDec 31, 20143 votes

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A Wise FoolJan 1, 20151 votes

You are extremely uninformed.

Champs who can deal with the split push (and are ap and arent tank) Fizz, Kassidan, ahri, annie and anyone who builds a zhonyas/can 1shot him or keep him stunned (kennen) No, they cannot push as fast as him, but they can kill him and that's all you need to do to deal with a split pusher; kill them 1v1.

Champs who can deal with his teamfight (ad/not tank) Vayne, wukong, aatrox, irelia, khazix, yi, riven, and more. anyone who builds a ga and does high damage

Tanks cant touch him? Mundo shits on him late game, shyv is just as strong as him, hecarim is a beast

There are ways for ANYONE to handle a zed if he isnt fed. Mercurial Scimitar cleanses the death mark. Zhonyas does the same thing. Zed isnt that strong if he isnt ahead, hes too easy to be countered

ChargeItDownMidJan 1, 20152 votes

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A Wise FoolJan 1, 20151 votes

zed ignores fizz/ahri/annie and they kill him. he cant push if hes dead

kass can certainly kill him when we get to 6 item, its a skill match up. zed does have him beat though bcuz the life steal

why wont shyv get in range? she has more gap closing then him and he is short range so he cant kill creeps from long range (other than shurikan) if zed tries to push the wave, she will just go attack him. late game shes too tanky for a zed to easily kill

why will hecarim fall behind in mid game teamfights?

"I doubt half the champions listed are even viable above gold". You ended the discussion there. That statement has no proof behind it and is extremely stupid. Im sorry but it is. Goodbye zed fanboy. gluck ranking any higher m8 :c

ChargeItDownMidJan 1, 20151 votes

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A Wise FoolJan 1, 20151 votes

tell me how shyv cant beat close with zed. lets say its 3 item each (bout even farm and no kills) if zed uses Q and E on the wave shyv can E him and then use W to close the gap (speed boost). yeah sure zed can W away, but then shyv ults. While shyv is in the air, zed ults (to avoid the damage). the poblem is zed just used Q and E on the wave so his ult will have no damage with detonation. Another thing you have to consider is that the shyv will be building tank (if she is any good) and her ult also gives her armor. a death mark with no Q or E against shyv wont do anything.

now lets say zed doesnt use abilities on the wave, hes respectful of shyv. in that case shyv wouldnt use abilities on the wave either and no one can push. they just aa.

tell me where im wrong

and also, give me one of the champions i listed that is "unviable"

ChargeItDownMidJan 2, 20151 votes

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A Wise FoolJan 2, 20151 votes

If there was an incorrect assumption, I'm talking about a top lane shyv.

How can she be even at farm? They both have solo lanes, they both get equal farm. With no kills, it would be the same.

Let's say zed decides to split push the bot, shyv meets him at river. he cannot use his spells or she will kill him so how is he supposed to push the creep wave?

Let's say zed is up at the inner turret before shyv meets him and because the lane is pushed he leaves to go teamfight. Shyv can push the wave until it starts and then teleport to teamfight.

Zed has a better kit? Dude you are just wrong. Zed does better in teamfights? That's individual player skill. Zed can get avoid opponents with shadow outplays, shyv just charges through them taking minimal damage because shes a tank.

He does superior damage in teamfights? He has more assassination/outplay. She has more aoe/get in your face. He is also a carry, she is a tank so I would hope he does more damage; that doesn't mean hes more useful.

"It is not shyvanas choice when and where the fights start" nor is it zed's.

"Kennen and master yi havent been viable" What is your definition for viable?

ChargeItDownMidJan 2, 20151 votes

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A Wise FoolJan 2, 20151 votes

oh my god, i'm not going to argue with you anymore after reading what you are posting. im just done. i have to know though, what rank are you? or do you not play ranked?

just one thing to say, just because a champion isnt used in lcs doesnt mean they arent viable

GloriousKaiserDec 31, 20141 votes

Do you see people banning the same champions in draft?

A Wise FoolJan 1, 20151 votes

Yes, champions like zed, akali, fizz, katarina, etc. Want to know how to counter all of them? CC; we just dont want to counter pick them (we being my fellow silvers) so we ban them. But who legitimately needs to be banned that you can't cover with just 6? Give me a champion and I'll give you the counter

GloriousKaiserJan 1, 20151 votes

No, it's too hard to pick Amumu and stop every single one of these mobile champions in their tracks flat.

A Wise FoolJan 1, 20151 votes

umm i think youre agreeing with me? idk but thats exactly it

Subject 5Jan 2, 20151 votes

And champions known as "tanks." i think they are called, i'm not sure because last time i checked they die within 5 seconds full build late game katarina. Tanks just don't scale well into the late game, matter of fact with all of the penetration possible, they have a total of 15 MR left from pen. And with armor, it is around the same levels. Not to mention these "tanks" have absolutely no outplay potential compared to champions with 65 gapclosers, shields, multiple dashes compared to tanks, speed boosts, you know-what is in the meta right now? Tanks are not.

A Wise FoolJan 2, 20151 votes

"they have a total of 15 mr left from pen" ummm... are you trollin me? lets have a look at the pen items.

haunting guise- 15 flat pen sorc boots- 15 flat pen void staff- 35% mr ignore

now lets say that SOMEHOW a kat is allowed to do a full channel and everyone sits in her ult without doing anything (do you see how ridiculous that sounds?), the tank still wouldnt die, unless she dfg'd them which why would she dfg a tank

but in a legit game, kat couldnt get that off. she would die. tanks are legit because they dont just soak damage. they have cc bro

and you say tanks arent in the meta. what meta are you talking about? do you even know what a tank is?

COWMANOFCOWSDec 30, 20141 votes

I feel like the discussion on bans is a good thing even if consensus isnt reached. you all still call a prefered role and everyone would have to say "mid" as well as "dont ban syndra". my concern is mostly that my team would ban my prefered champion.

I vote for the current system but having this method for 3v3s an might work well..

B7dEADtEPyDec 31, 20141 votes

Interesting but inceasing bans will increase the required number of champs you need to rank.

Khell DarkWolfJan 1, 20152 votes

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Interesting but inceasing bans will increase the required number of champs you need to rank.

This is the best part for ranked. +1 to thread

MindspeakerJan 1, 20151 votes

!0 bans ..umm no 6 is more than enough people freak out at champs they simply don't know how to beat and call them op

SookoJan 2, 20151 votes

Its a good idea bud, you got a +1. I just fear for a little thing. Some people like me suffer from what I like to call Greed.

I feel that I will wait until the end of those 20 seconds, hoping someone bans Morgana and Fizz, so I can ban champions that aren't really that OP, but I have quarrels with (can't risk facing a Shaco main. Ever.)

But it might just be me. Other people might be a lot better in terms of teamwork. I mean, I ward, I cheer my team, I ping, I let everyone get nearly every kill if I can help it. But in bans I am super selfish, embarrassingly. I want to ban the champion that is more convenient to me instead of the one that is more convenient to the team (I already got pentakilled by a Morgana/Katarina combo) and I don't want to do that, but its just so hard not to follow my instincts on bans. Hopefully, you good folks of boards are better than me in this matter :/

UseWardsNotWordsJan 2, 20151 votes

Sorry for those who think we have enough, but there's simply not enough bans for high elo's. I play Fizz all the time and FP him into counters and still win. It's really stupid how much damage he can do with only a little bit ahead. Gnar is stupid strong at top, even with those minor nerfs he got. Syndra is impassably unbelievably broken. End of story, /signed syndra main Janna is ridiculous. Zed is obnoxious to play against, and it really sucks. It's like playing against a Tryndamere who follows you like a shadow. Jayce is honestly stupid and should be perma-banned, even with the change to his W, he's beyond stupid. Azir is very strong in higher ELO's. Katarina isn't played as much as she should be, but if she ever becomes more popular, I will perma-ban her. Along with Poppy. There's NO counterplay to Poppy. She ults someone on your team, and if they don't absolutely go for Poppy and blow all their CC. Say goodbye without anything you can do. Zhonya's doesn't last 8 seconds, QSS doesn't work. Kalista will be perma-ban after next tournament, just you watch. Lissandra is seeing alot of play, and with a 5 seconds Zhonya's that'll zone any ADC, I can't see why she isn't an ample ban. Rek'sai top is ridiculous, he's manageable as jungle, but as a top, he's absolutely inane. Vi doesn't really have any manageable counterplay, but I wouldn't consider her ban-worthy, just unfair to play against. Skarner is also extremely strong right now, and just wait till he's picked up and FOTM'd. Talon, Nuff said.

Wanna hear a small list of sleepers?

Cassiopeia, Annie, Anivia, Fiddlesticks, Galio, Gragas, Nidalee, Olaf, Shaco (Holy crap, he has a late game now, what????) Vel'koz, Swain. So who are the worst of the worst on this list?

Fizz, Syndra, Janna, Poppy, and Jayce. The others are absolutely overpowered, but there are also alot of sleeper OP champions that we don't get to see nearly enough because of what's stupid strong. Also, Lee Sin. Lee's been broken since release and won't be anything but till a rework.

bad manner kidJan 2, 20151 votes

Just want to leave a comment in the middle of everyone yelling about which champion is OP:

This thread is about the necessity for extra bans and reasons why it makes the game better.

ModIts Yuu and MiJan 2, 20151 votes

I agree. Let everyone have a ban. If someone fears a champ and the other 4 don't, and they get screwed over by that Champ (let's say it's an absolute 100% hard counter), then they feel bad.