I really enjoy playing assassins

ChuShoe·Sep 24, 2017·57 votes·2,350 views

Especially when I can never kill the adc 1v1

79 Comments

BańgSep 24, 201719 votes

you enjoy playing kogmaw?

waiting for WoWSep 24, 201711 votes

But what if you can play an assassin and an ADC?

Twitch Vayne Tristana

ChuShoeSep 24, 20172 votes

Lucian He's literally been played mid more in my games than he's ever been played before, regardless of whether it's on my team or the enemy team.

Enraged PigletSep 24, 20173 votes

so your not talking about the actual bot laner but the enemy your laning against then I could see how a lucian can win lane against you and kill you and then you might have hard time killing him.

SulghunterSep 24, 20174 votes

Quinn Ahem

TruelyTrueTruethSep 24, 201711 votes

the only time i can kill an adc is if im ahead in level and items

or if i have some sort of stealth or catch them by surprise which is basically what an assassin does

ChuShoeSep 24, 201714 votes

Killing an adc shouldn't rely on snowballing so hard that you become an apache attack roflcopter and just absolutely eat adc's for breakfast.

RainfallSep 24, 20176 votes

you should always be a higher level than the adc.

AhrisSep 24, 201713 votes

It is dumb you have to be higher lvl than the ADC to be able to kill them, seems like this game is balanced around this idea. if adcs go midlane, you guys would be equal, so who would win?

zaire90Sep 24, 20172 votes

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It is dumb you have to be higher lvl than the ADC to be able to kill them, seems like this game is balanced around this idea. if adcs go midlane, you guys would be equal, so who would win?

The dude who can poke you out of lane with a ranged auto attack while still farming while the other player has to hope he can stay healthy enough to be able to actually start fighting at his power spike.

MelledoneusSep 24, 20175 votes

Or you just play Fizz and land an ult.

If your opponent is squishy they're dead meat.

PennsSep 24, 20172 votes

Not in a teamfight tho item 3070

MelledoneusSep 24, 20171 votes

Especially in a team fight. It's a giant AoE knock up nuke for everyone.

PennsSep 24, 20172 votes

item 3109 item 3190 Janna Lulu Nami Sona Soraka summoner 3 item 3107

and first you need to hit the skillshot item 3070

DuskDaUmbreonSep 24, 20172 votes

It's not hard to hit it.

Hitting a Fizz ult in a teamfight is like hitting a Morgana Q in one. There's just so many targets it's impossible to miss.

Now, you're almost certain to not hit the intended target, but you'll still hit someone.

PennsSep 24, 20172 votes

Thats the problem tho, its hard to hit a target that you can actually do damage to lul

DuskDaUmbreonSep 24, 20172 votes

Tsss. Not hard. The tank always runs back to the ADC, anyways, carrying the Zilean/Tristana bomb, Malz E, Fizz R, Kled, or MF Q with them. Every. Goddamned. Time.

AmazoXSep 24, 20179 votes

You're doing something wrong then, I play those Assassins Draven Twitch Sivir and I disintegrate entire enemy team's while laughing like a sadist.

Trap or a TrickSep 24, 20178 votes

I really don't understand all this bull shit, whenever I play kayn, I have 0 problems killing the adc, they aren't tanky in the slightest, kog with frozen mallet and steraks is, yeas ofcourse, he has 2 tank items, but just because ''oh vayne has a pd she is invincible'' she really isnt

ChuShoeSep 24, 20173 votes

if you're beating anybody with the shadow assassin form of kayne, then I think you're not seeing it because of the skill level of the people you're going up against.

Trap or a TrickSep 24, 20174 votes

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if you're beating anybody with the shadow assassin form of kayne, then I think you're not seeing it because of the skill level of the people you're going up against.

ur silver 4, you're playing against worst shit than I do

ShiznyteSep 24, 20173 votes

he never said he used shadow assassin kayne. you can build full assassin on Raast and it is still dangerous as fuck for adc's.

AmazoXSep 24, 20177 votes

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ur silver 4, you're playing against worst shit than I do

You're unranked lmfao.

Trap or a TrickSep 24, 20173 votes

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You're unranked lmfao.

https://gyazo.com/04f6cf162d7375b85b1162da016fc98d.png but my mmr is high

PePsiLemoNNSep 24, 20172 votes

You don't have to understand. That's why it's called a ''circlejerk''

ShiznyteSep 24, 20178 votes

The only True assassins in the game now are Tristana Twitch Lucian KogMaw and jungle Ezreal lol also Chogath JarvanIV

Need Gold 4 TentSep 24, 20177 votes

I had a shock of my life yesterday, MasterYi item 1419 item 3124 item 3139 item 3071 item 3111 with 3 fire drakes on rank 3 ult, got facetanked by a MissFortune item 3153 item 3006 item 3046 item 3031 item 3022 . Granted, that extra 1 item was probably more of a factor than I expected, and because I ran the resolve tree for the tenacity so I missed out on Fervor.

Probably might have won if I went more damage, but I already had near 300 AD on top of AS cap though. Not salty about it, but just more aware not to underestimate them again.

Enraged PigletSep 24, 201715 votes

I mean thats 6 items against 3.5 items

MR boots doesn't do shit to MF and Qss gives you some ad but other then that gives you nothing against her. While MF has 6 items that all work against you and BC and Frozen mallet is a lot of hp and PD helps a little bit and depending on the circumstances like if a lulu was right there which people tend to leave out things like that when talking on the boards it would be even worse for you.

Need Gold 4 TentSep 24, 20173 votes

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I mean thats 6 items against 3.5 items

MR boots doesn't do shit to MF and Qss gives you some ad but other then that gives you nothing against her. While MF has 6 items that all work against you and BC and Frozen mallet is a lot of hp and PD helps a little bit and depending on the circumstances like if a lulu was right there which people tend to leave out things like that when talking on the boards it would be even worse for you.

No, fair 1v1 me and her alone. Both full hp, she was farming lane and I attempted an assassination. I'm not complaining about her being broken or anything, it just came as a surprise to both of us. She thought she was dead when she saw me while I thought that was a free kill. Good point about the itemisation, I never actually looked at it that way.

The 2nd HorsemanSep 24, 20174 votes

If you aim two cannons at each other, the first one to hit the target will usually win, take into account that mf probably has time too heal off nearby minions while you alpha strike and that meditate isn't very useful.

MelledoneusSep 24, 20172 votes

I'd like to see a replay of that, maybe we can piece it together and see what happened?

Need Gold 4 TentSep 26, 20171 votes

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I'd like to see a replay of that, maybe we can piece it together and see what happened?

I got the replay, and indeed it helps to look at the situation again. Turns out I was a bit confused myself at that game I think. It was slightly earlier into the game, so the I was mistaken about the items, so the difference was actually much bigger. She hadn't finished Frozen Mallet but I also hadn't finished Black Cleaver either. She did get a bit of help in the form of Leblanc E, but I would have died without it because she was outdamaging me by far anyway. It's the items.

But if you're interested in seeing it anyway I'll put it up here: https://youtu.be/tkE8maijl0Q

MelledoneusSep 26, 20171 votes

Yeah, you lost that fight because of frozen mallet. Also because you didn't buy BoRK as you are generally supposed to as Yi jungle (it's even good against squishies, BTW).

But yeah, that MF lucked out and crit you quite a bit. The stars aligned for her that fight.

Need Gold 4 TentSep 26, 20171 votes

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Yeah, you lost that fight because of frozen mallet. Also because you didn't buy BoRK as you are generally supposed to as Yi jungle (it's even good against squishies, BTW).

But yeah, that MF lucked out and crit you quite a bit. The stars aligned for her that fight.

With my current setup though, BoRK overcapped my attack speed by a lot (as in, my attack speed was already capped in the video with 2 attack speed items). So in theory, it felt like a waste of gold when I could get more AD to scale Wuju Style's true damage. However, I suppose the on-hit alone might make it worth it considering I went the rageblade build.

MelledoneusSep 26, 20171 votes

Rageblade is useless without BoRK on Yi. Unless you're going full crit, then at that point you're overcapping anyway.

You may be the Yi main here, so I could be wrong, but if you don't build BoRK on Yi there's a serious issue. Especially when the enemy ADC is stacking HP.

Need Gold 4 TentSep 26, 20171 votes

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Rageblade is useless without BoRK on Yi. Unless you're going full crit, then at that point you're overcapping anyway.

You may be the Yi main here, so I could be wrong, but if you don't build BoRK on Yi there's a serious issue. Especially when the enemy ADC is stacking HP.

I was wondering about that too when I saw Cowsep also overcapping his attack speed with the stuff he buys. Maybe it's not so much about the raw stats of the item but the onhits being stacked.

MelledoneusSep 26, 20171 votes

Yi's AS boost on his ult is huge. That's why overcapping happens a lot.

Asayake 5150glowSep 26, 20171 votes

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I got the replay, and indeed it helps to look at the situation again. Turns out I was a bit confused myself at that game I think. It was slightly earlier into the game, so the I was mistaken about the items, so the difference was actually much bigger. She hadn't finished Frozen Mallet but I also hadn't finished Black Cleaver either. She did get a bit of help in the form of Leblanc E, but I would have died without it because she was outdamaging me by far anyway. It's the items.

But if you're interested in seeing it anyway I'll put it up here: https://youtu.be/tkE8maijl0Q

... Look at the item/gold discrepancy. You flat out didn't deserve to win that duel without outplaying her, and the way you ran straight at her in an open lane, well there wasn't outplaying possible. Perhaps if you tanked her W with Meditate+Q or bushjuked her you would've won.

Her W is a stronger AS steroid than your ult, as well.

NLGG3R BEATERSep 26, 20171 votes

Wanted to add one thing, on-hit Yi doesn't scale that well late game. Not saying you should lose to to adcs with that build but crit is flat out better.

Try going item 3072 item 3031 item 3087 item 3508 and you can literally perma lifesteal through their dmg if they have infinite health and u can stick up to them, but who am i kidding u'll just oneshot them.

HellioningSep 24, 20177 votes

If you can't kill the ADC 1v1, you're either doing something wrong or are really behind (which means you're doing something wrong.)

GirlBrainsSep 24, 20175 votes

Uh I think any brain dead Akali Zed Annie Yasuo can ass smack a adc around pretty easily. If youre frustrated with lucian just play xin zhao.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 24, 20173 votes

Eh. Maybe not Yasuo. He'd need to have enough brain cells to wait for minions to walk by the ADC, and he'd have to attempt to aim his Q, so he couldn't be completely brain dead.

Evil YasuoSep 24, 20173 votes

Make assassins great again! Give them their burst speed back

TalinisSep 24, 20173 votes

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Make assassins great again! Give them their burst speed back

agree esp ap sins need huge buffs in the form of better items to match the broken ad shit have

Evil YasuoSep 25, 20171 votes

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agree esp ap sins need huge buffs in the form of better items to match the broken ad shit have

There's is no broken ad assassin items. There's 1 good one, 1 okay one and 1 really shit one. There's TONS of AP itemization

DarthFantasiaSep 25, 20171 votes

On what planet? Yoummus, Duskblade, Black Cleaver, Maw... Am I forgetting any?

Evil YasuoSep 25, 20171 votes

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On what planet? Yoummus, Duskblade, Black Cleaver, Maw... Am I forgetting any?

Maw has no lethality and black cleaver is a bruiser item, hence why they took away so much damage and added so much health. Riot themselves have said black cleaver is a bruiser item.

DarthFantasiaSep 25, 20171 votes

Lethality is so broken right now.

DarthFantasiaSep 25, 20171 votes

Half of the assassins can still instakill ADCs... LeBlanc, Talon, and Fizz were really the only ones that were even touched. Zed is still a braindead instakill champ, and so are Kha and Rengar.

Need Gold 4 TentSep 25, 20173 votes

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Half of the assassins can still instakill ADCs... LeBlanc, Talon, and Fizz were really the only ones that were even touched. Zed is still a braindead instakill champ, and so are Kha and Rengar.

Somehow, I feel that CONDITIONAL burst make for a more healthy assassin than DELAYED burst. If the burst is delayed, you might as well be a dps champ. Rather than making the counterplay by having a window to react to the assassination, the counterplay should be the ability to avoid the assassination in the first place. K6 isolation would be a good example of this - stick with your team.

Rengar and LB on the other hand... [zombie-brand-facepalm]