Twisted Fate should really get some love...

Tuljan·Sep 4, 2017·10 votes·3,269 views

I've been playing tf for quite some time now, past the million mark by now, and he really struggels in the laning phase... I know hes ment to be played for roaming and utillity and so on but if he doesnt do well in lane or gets stomped by a champ who has 4 damageing skills and a passive that benefits the kit (syndra, fizz, kata, kassadin etc) he falls behaind and is unabled to comeback without any serious KS's, and if so the game is allready snowballed anyways and its gg.

His q ration is only 60% scaling unable even to clear waves with a red card + q in early to mid game while other champs ofc can.

His passive gives u maximum 450 gold by the 20'th min if ur lucky and get a decent amount of farm belive me i know.

The trades are rly bad for tf, if u dont dogde any skills shots ur gona get out traded and if u do u need to get up close for a W autoattack so u can easily land ur q (that has low scaling) and when u do that ur gona pull minion aggro which also fcks u ( cuz AA pulls aggro and skills shots dont) and the enemy autoattacks you couple of times throws down a skills shot cuz ur freaking near to them cuz ur aa range is low and the thunderlord procs and ur still outtraded. One great examples are kass and viktor, viktor is just gona skills his w and sit at ur ranged minons, u get close BAM his w and empowered AA and normal aa, thunderlord procs ur outraded allready only cuz u came to take cs, okay dont go up front u say stay under turret u say, he shoves u u got 6 sec cd on w and low scaling on q u cant farm under turret well its just not possible and u cant trade with him early lvls cuz he has allways the freaking shield that apsorbs either ur w or ur q its just so freaking hard to play tf in lane, dont want even get started on orianna.

U might say im bitching cuz its my favorite champ and u are right and i am i admit it cuz its the freaking thruth.

I would be so freaking happy if tf could just get a stronger passive nothing dramatic....

Please something

Tuljan TF main Crying for help

68 Comments

CasterGilgameshSep 4, 20175 votes

TwistedFate does have love its Graves

TuljanSep 4, 20173 votes

CasterGilgameshSep 4, 20173 votes

in all seriousness, he could stand to have some small changes to help him better do dps since he is an auto reliant champion maybe a small range increase to his autos

TuljanSep 4, 20174 votes

Ofc mate, he rly needs some update, not so much as an aa range increse maybe just remove the aggro he takes thru his W and a passive update, that would make so happy

Bare in mind not trying to counter ur oppinion im just stating mine ^^

Taric the GaySep 4, 20174 votes

He does need an updated passive and a better E ability. His poke is ok, but his raw DPS needs an adjustment.

http://www.auplod.com/u/pdolua802d6.png

TuljanSep 4, 20175 votes

If something is needed thats an update to his passive, on his E not so much imo, when u duel with tf not so many people expect it or forget about it and its a nice suprise imo, but his passive is pretty much useless so yeah

KviniiSep 4, 20174 votes

At least they should change his passive 🤔

TuljanSep 4, 20174 votes

+1 mate

LegendmakerGXSep 4, 20173 votes

Twisted fate has been trash tier this season and whole year. Cassiopeia Syndra Taliyah Corki Orianna has been the new meta because they can spam their ability with higher damage ratio then Twisted fate. Sad part is these guys clear wave with little effort while having a big ability radius. Hate that when I use W on a enemy it takes minion aggro which is dumb the reason why tf has a good win rate right now is because in the low elos they have a hard time knowing how to counter TF ult.

TuljanSep 4, 20173 votes

My man... U got everything write Its so bloody hard to lane Props to You!

Not just that they know how to counter the ult, His play rate isnt high thus making the win rate higher....

rhintheminstrelSep 4, 20174 votes

11% play rate is high with a 53% winrate.

Brand mid has a 48% winrate with less than a 1% play rate. He has a way better laning phase than TF but look at the winrate/playrate.

TF is strong and is considered S Tier right now. You don't play TF for lane dominance but for his global pressure becaus eof his ulti anmd point and click stun.

DoPA and other great mid laners thrives at using TF because he is really strong right now so I recommend to watch their videos playing TF and see how strong TF really is.

TuljanSep 4, 20174 votes

Its easy to put videos of them winning their lane and their matchups and i do too, but ive watched every video and every steam of twisted fate and the results aint so great, tf is viable ofc only cuz of his global pressure thats one and only strenght on him, but put dopa and other good tf players against a lb, kass, fizz, kata, syndra, cassio without any junglers help ofc tf will lose

rhintheminstrelSep 4, 20173 votes

Those champions counter TF. You want TF to fare well against them? That seems to be biased. "I love playing Annie but she sucks against Kass, Syndra, Cassio and Ori. Rito give Annie more range/mobility." See this is also a biased opinion. TF is strong right now and it's an undeniable fact (playrate and winrate wise). In fact, TF is one of the hardest champions to play and is a high-risk-high-reward kind of champ. Once you are 6, enemy teams will be wary of your pick potential, that's how enemyteams are pressured when there is a TF.

" without any junglers help ofc tf will lose"

That's why he needs more team coordination than other mid laners.

TuljanSep 4, 20174 votes

You are seriously fine with a gold making passive that cashes in 450 gold max at 20 mins isnt worth a change? Considering that pretty much every champ shoves u in and u lose farm due to his bad laning phase?

Please tell me ur fine with his passive

rhintheminstrelSep 4, 20173 votes

His passive gives him more gold than the mid laner which lets him give a faster powerspike. Wave control/manipulation is a thing to, investing in learning that with a champion like TF is really optimal.

TuljanSep 4, 20174 votes

One dorans ring and a pot by 20 min is a power spike?

Hahahhaha Good one

rhintheminstrelSep 4, 20173 votes

You have zero gold by 20 mins? Did ya dc?

TuljanSep 4, 20174 votes

U dont even get the refrence xD No comment on you anymore :)

PennsSep 4, 201713 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/952af85f405174bb803f6442564180b5.jpg in diamond +

seems trash tier lel

TuljanSep 4, 20175 votes

Cuz he is trash, hard to fucking lane with him... He needs some help

LegendmakerGXSep 4, 20174 votes

Swear people with no knowledge with the champion always pulls up a stupid statistic to justify something they don't even know about.

TF is trash tier this season and tell me which lane champion does he beat? The only reason why he is ever used is because of his ult that is faster then a TP but other then that he has one of the hardest time in lane. His win rate is all because 90% is his ult gank which catches a lot of people by surprise but in lane he sucks now with everyone of the champion i listed being able to delete him. But tell me statistic boy have you ever played twisted fate in the past months or do you just instantly go on a site and think because he has a high % winrate means he is good in every elo even though you never played him before or let alone played him in a high elo?

TuljanSep 4, 20172 votes

Finaly some decent answer...

PennsSep 4, 20179 votes

didnt know laning phase is the only thing that decides if a champ is strong or not hehe

PoskeSep 4, 20175 votes

So he should have bunch of winning matchups and retarded global pressure on top ?

Suggest a specific change

I wouldnt mind him randomly scalling of crit chance for example which would make firecannon a better buy 2 Damage for every 1% crit chance on Q/W/E

Not all of the above but some

TuljanSep 4, 20172 votes

My core build has rfc allways and it allways catches people off guard

Nut on my ButtSep 4, 20173 votes

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Swear people with no knowledge with the champion always pulls up a stupid statistic to justify something they don't even know about.

TF is trash tier this season and tell me which lane champion does he beat? The only reason why he is ever used is because of his ult that is faster then a TP but other then that he has one of the hardest time in lane. His win rate is all because 90% is his ult gank which catches a lot of people by surprise but in lane he sucks now with everyone of the champion i listed being able to delete him. But tell me statistic boy have you ever played twisted fate in the past months or do you just instantly go on a site and think because he has a high % winrate means he is good in every elo even though you never played him before or let alone played him in a high elo?

TF has historically always had close to no good matchups in lane. That is not his problem since he can farm safely, pressure the entire map, and synergizes well with ganks.

The only thing I can agree with is that he needs a better or buffed passive.

TuljanSep 4, 20173 votes

rhintheminstrelSep 4, 20173 votes

TF has a 53.47% winrate with a 16.05% play rate based on OP.gg. That's actually strong.

TF's laning phase is lacking but is very compensated by the fact that he has a global pressure that can help his team get ahead/kills. Buffing his laning phase isgoing to make him OP again and would be permabanned/high priority and you wouldn't enjoy him more.

TF is fine and is actually strong, not broken strong, but he needs more team coordination than other mid laners.

TuljanSep 4, 20175 votes

Mkay, those stats actually say so much of him being UP, he has a high winrate cuz of his playrate being so low, usually people who are playing tf are those who main him thus generaly perform good with him, but bro u get shoved into ur turret fall behind cant cs well, if u decide to stay at turret and get some farm u cant ult to roam, if u decide to roam and screw the cs u fall behind dealing 0% damage on top of his low scaling skills, he needs some changes he is weak

rhintheminstrelSep 4, 20173 votes

As of 7.17 (op.gg), TF has the highest pick rate with 16.05% of all mid laners. Those are all TF mains? I think not. The next in line for the most played in mid is Lucian which has a 12.87% play rate and 45.35% win rate are they all Lucian mains?

He is weak at lane, that's his counterplay. Because if you gave him more roaming potential, he'll be a more broken Taliyah/ASol and his AP ratios are ok because he is not a late game champion and you completely forget that with Lichbane he will deal a lot of damage.

TuljanSep 4, 20175 votes

His not a late game champ? And his ratios are ok? How do u even imply thats hes strong, u get shoved under turret, even ganked once and died or burned summs, the opponent will take advanted of you and u are not even able to step into lane, u roam like that u dont deal dmg and weak as fck, and if u start roaming late game then whats the point of it?

rhintheminstrelSep 4, 20173 votes

TF's not a late game champion in terms of damage but he can still oneshot squishies. You under estimate his combos so much. He is strong because he has a very good pick potential. Clear the waves and proceed to roam. You have a global pressure that will make other lanes to play safe thus making your jungler prioritize your aggro enemy mid laner. If your jungler didn't gank then it's sad for you. He's more team reliant but the same could be said to Orianna.

TuljanSep 4, 20175 votes

Thats all thru as long if u survive the laning phase which in many cases doesnt go well

rhintheminstrelSep 4, 20173 votes

with a 53% winrate and a 16% play rate, that's many cases that doesn't go well? Many high elo players actually respect TF's global pressure. His point and click stun gives you more ganking potential. If you buffed him because your jungler doesn't gank you, then he'll be broken and wont be playable due to being permabanned/priority pick. Is that what you want?

TuljanSep 4, 20175 votes

U clearly dont see many tf's or do play one, ur one person of all replys here to think the way u do

rhintheminstrelSep 4, 20173 votes

You're the who doesn't know how to play TF. He is not for the lane dominance or a for being a duelist, his power thrives in his usage of his ult. Getting kills from the side lanes is what TF and his teammates get ahead. You want TF to be a jack-of-all-trades. That will just make him broken and then will be nerfed to the ground like Azir.

TuljanSep 4, 20174 votes

U either got killed by a tf or dont have a freaking clue how tf is played these days or what are overall matchups the whole game, try to play some games maybe ull get in the groove again, but just maybe

ShaydroxSep 4, 20172 votes

Sorry but, while I understand your argument, a 16% play rate is very high when we have like over 30 midlane champions. Personally I feel TF is decently powerful. My main grind with him is that his Q always feels subpar in damage. Since he builds stuff like Lich Bane (or even RFC) as more of an on-hit mage, his one true 'nuke' type of spell that is hard to land without his stun doesn't actually do much damage. I would like the ratio to be 75% or so, that way it remains a very relevant and strong skill throughout the game. That's just my opinion though.

TuljanSep 4, 20174 votes

I totaly understand u and respect ur oppinion but this meta/whole season is totaly harsh on tf becouse u cant even lane against certaint champions. He has a practicly useless passive which operates on luck and amount of farm, and being that Only 10 champs are constanlty playing in this meta u get constantly shoved and denied farm, its hard imo

ShaydroxSep 5, 20172 votes

TF is a champion who isn't about power on his own. Because of that he can feel lackluster, but when played properly he can be extremely strong due to his map presence. It's frustrating to feel so powerless in lane, but his strength comes in enough other ways to compensate. I have no troubles when playing him, and considering his high winrate (53% with >10% playrate is high) I would not want to see any significant buffs. And yes, I agree his passive is rather poor and he doesn't feel too strong in lane. But he remains a solid pick, and buffing him suddenly could really upset the balance in soloQ, which makes it a bad idea.

rhintheminstrelSep 5, 20171 votes

That's the problem of him wanting to buff his laning phase. If TF does get a buff in his laning phase, his roaming potential needs to be toned down.

While I agree his passive is not good, but it's very compensated by his very strong roaming potential. A good roam at bot, and getting your bot lane ahead is actually the meta right now. He is actually considered as S Tier by popular/high elo players like DoPA, Arcsecond and LS as of right now.

Suggestion: Buff his AP Ratios and lower his ult range.

SweedishGunnerSep 4, 20173 votes

TF main crying that Viktor outlanes him lul.

TuljanSep 4, 20173 votes

Tbh wouldnt be hard to outlane a goldie viktor main :D

Cheers

Rins Thigh SocksSep 4, 20172 votes

TF is fine right now. I'm looking at your stats and the best guess I can make is that you're simply not exerting enough pressure and taking objectives throughout the game since you're farming fine, and you don't seem to be dying a ton.

Remember, you do have a targeted stun. Just holding onto it should be a deterrent for most people trying to harass you.