Why do new players start with low gold mmr?

Sspencer·11/2/2019, 1:37:40 AM·5 votes·7,140 views

New players should not start with with low gold mmr. The average player is below low gold 4 so why would a new player start with higher mmr than an average player who has likely been playing for multiple seasons. Yeah maybe if there is a smurf they will be better than that but the system shouldn't try to cater to smurfs. If a new player were to start with low silver mmr that would likely place them much closer to the rank they truly deserve off the bat. Currently if you win 3/4 of your placement games you will be out of bronze. It would ruin far less games for someone who is genuinely new to the game to start low and climb as they improve rather than start higher and fall down to where they should start ruining games for others in the process. And it really sucks for them as well because they just get flamed for trying their hardest despite the problem being a flawed system.

54 Comments

Saezio11/2/2019, 5:18:19 AM4 votes

So, new players need to be placed at 50% of the MMR ladder. Why? Because if they are placed somewhere else, given enough time THAT PLACE WILL BECOME THE MIDDLE OF THE MMR LADDER. It's math. If you want players to be placed lower, we need an entire new matchmaking system and a new "skill value assigning" system.

Sorry English is not my main role ;)

MagicFlyingLlama11/2/2019, 1:57:31 AM3 votes

Gold 4 is the 50% mark, supposedly.

It is a bit odd, though. A higher level than 30 should be required, to give the system time to calibrate their ability

Kovorix11/2/2019, 12:52:05 PM3 votes

Because you assume the players are average so you start placing them at the average mmr.

Mahoh11/2/2019, 2:12:34 AM2 votes

Didn't people used to start at like bronze?

Ambitious Minnow11/6/2019, 5:57:45 PM2 votes

Funniest part of all the people here that think spouting off about K values makes them sound smart: People that dig math and science love and always reconsider their values when PROOF that contradicts their claims is staring them in the face.

People in this elo range could post hundreds of matches that were decided simply by having the troll new to ranked on their team, if it weren't for Riot deleting the posts because they "shame a player." Even though they are really about shaming Riot's system.

We all know that proof exists, see it personally, Riot just won't let us discuss it honestly.

iMidg3t11/3/2019, 6:12:54 PM2 votes

Apparently thats how it should work, although in reality it just makes games imbalanced.

Zeyphel11/2/2019, 2:23:03 AM2 votes

For the sake of imbalance.

Kai Guy11/2/2019, 2:46:12 AM1 votes

The way Elo and MMR ladders work is the starting value is the center of the ladder, more or less. Its not zero sum in MMR so some inflation or deflation can happen but its basically the middle and soft resets are a opportunity to completely re-center things. Its not a 0 to 100 style system where you go bottom to top. Its made so the average level of skill is used to build a bell curve. Ranks are just arbitrary segments of the curve. Riot can change what ever Ranks they want or what portion of the curve is represented, LP will slant to adjust, but the bell curve remains the same and is built off the populations skill. Ranks don't represent skill unless accurate.