Why is Honor Required for End of Season Rewards?

Spear of Zeonia·Sep 9, 2018·8 votes·2,044 views

Why is a merit-based reward gated by how feel-good you make the other players?

This company has a real problem with over punishing players and taking away any reason to play. With how long it takes to build honor, anyone that even gets a chat restriction gets robbed of ALL ranked merit-based rewards if they are banned on the latter half of the year. My reference point is it took 1+ month to 'earn' enough 'honor' to get a single checkpoint and I would get at least 1 a game usually 2 average (not counting premades). I would honor anyone each game just to help farm it up.

The issue is that ranked is supposed to be a competitive place where the players put on their game-face and put it all on the line with the understanding that there will be rewards for their accomplishments. Just like other sports, players are given compensation in some sense to prove they are as good as they say they are. Icons, skins, ect are just visual representations of skill akin to medals and trophies in real life.

So, I ask of you, why do we need to make the entire world feel like special snowflakes to earn our merit-based rewards?! I've never understood this. Being banned should be the punishment. That's the end of it. There should be no long, dragged out punishments like losing merit-based rewards. It makes the game worse. Hear me out.

DISCLAIMER! This is my opinion: When one is climbing ranked for the best rewards possible one is more apt to try to control themselves and help the team win. If they CANT earn rewards they have nothing to lose. This account is already worthless now. The champs don't matter if they can't play ranked and earn rewards (speaking from a competitive point of view which many 'flamers' are). These people have nothing left to grab onto and work towards and they are angry about it and will more likely snap at their teammates, especially since winning/losing no longer matters. These people get perma-banned eventually. Do they quit League? Probably not. Many of us grew up on it and want to play it even if it IS frustrating. So the banned party creates a new account. This plays out 2 ways. They either troll the entire time with nothing to lose now that they have this new, free, account, or they are careful up till level 30 and get into ranked.

Lets say they troll in low levels. They get banned. They dont care. Make new account. Do it again. Rinse, repeat. On my climb from 1-30 I met a LOT of these people. Its crazy how many there are. But they keep doing it. Making newbies live's miserable. Good lord it was terrifying how angry they got. I can understand why. Hundreds to thousands of dollars and hours spent playing, lost. Because someone was mad about words... rough. Ok, maybe they were actually toxic and did a death threat or were over the top verbally abusive. Who knows. My moneys on the former to be honest. Either way, these people are a lost cause. A lot of these folks feel like there's no point in being good because when they tried and err'd as they were human, they lost everything. So why try? No incentive.

Lets pretend they get to 30 and were good. Neat! They found a way to dodge all of the overly sensitive players. Lucky them! Now, they play ranked and say something along the lines of "I don't like your favorite color" or "I think that play you made was not very good" or "You want to quit early? You're mentally weak." Now they have a chat restriction which takes away ALL of their honor, ALL of their ability to get key fragments, and ALL of their merit based rewards. They cycle repeats. This is where I am now. I'm extremely upset with this system and the over sensitivity presented by riot and the vocal minority of the community. I no longer have a reason to play and that makes me really sad because I do love this game and the people that play it, even if they're telling me to die. I just want to have a goal while I play and what good does playing nice do me if I won't get my merit-based rewards anyways?! I'm not saying this is what I'm going to do, but why not just start trolling and inting games to piss others off at this point?! I have nothing to lose anymore and I can see where some people will have this mindset and make the game worse for those who still CAN strive for rewards. Its a bad time for everyone imo.

tl;dr: Separate 'honor' and merit-based rewards. Do what every real sport does and keep the player's skill in the game and the player's character separate entities. This virtue signalling and pretending like you care by constantly banning and overly monitoring the game (poorly with no context and with an AI) and catering to a vocal minority is killing the community. This is a competitive game about killing people. If people didn't get upset here and there I'd be worried that everyone was drugged up.

P.S. ( I fully expect to be downvoted to oblivion. I think its quite sad that so many people feel like banning people and ruining their gaming experience for being human, having emotions, and occasionally acting on them. The holier-than-thou attitude really is disheartening.)

EDIT: Can this be moved to General Discussion I misclicked the wrong board. Opps.

23 Comments

FullmuteAll playSep 9, 20185 votes

One of the main goal of Riot is to reduce toxicity. Any additional penalty for toxicity, that can later on get rid of it is good. And btw honour doesn't dictate ranked rewards, you just need to have minimum level of honour, which is ABSOLUTELY NOT HARD to have. If you are an animal that can't control itself you must be controled by external agents.

Spear of ZeoniaSep 9, 20185 votes

It actually is VERY hard to get if you ever get ANY penalty ever. A chat restriction locks you and demotes you rank 1 with no checkpoints. You have to first UNLOCK it then grind for honor which took over a month for a single checkpoint regardless of daily playing of multiple games with honors being donated to me with an average of 1.5-2 honors per game. if you get ANY ban time you're at rank 0 and it'll take almost a year to get to a place where you can collect ranked rewards.

These are supposed to be RANKED rewards, not 'I catered to overly sensitive people' rewards.

You're calling human beings that get upset once in a while animals and insinuating you're a better person simply because you don't get caught when you have your temper tantrums. That's a pretty elitist view. One I'm I've come to expect from the League community.

FullmuteAll playSep 9, 20185 votes

No, it is not. I have a toxic friend. He needed around 10 games or so to start climbing in Honour. He had 0 lvl honour. All you need to do is not use chat, that's it. And btw, you don't grind honour, you are just not being fcking toxic. That's it. You progress in Honour just by playing. Aftergame honours is just something like boost. I am calling human beings that are toxic and ruin other players' experience by all means animals. And as I said you must be able to control yourself regardless how upset you are or w/e was your day and shit like this toxic people try to use as "arguements". I don't get caught because to get caught you have to be toxic/negative on a constant basis. Remove your enter key, if you can't control yourself. It is really not hard to avoid using chat. For real remove enter key and don't int (intentional feed) *edit: and yeah don't spam pings *. And you are gucci, you still can do this by the end of season.

Spear of ZeoniaSep 9, 20182 votes

I told two intentional feeders they were "mentally weak" and got chat restrictions. There's NO way to farm 3 checkpoints of honor AND unlock the honor by the end of the next month. Its not happening. People don't deserve to have skill based rewards stolen due to intentional feeders reporting them. They shouldnt get skill merits taken away for being toxic. There needs to be a divide between merit and character that riot is abusing.

This whole 'take away freedoms and make everyone cookie cutter' is not okay. I have my chat logs in the behavior forum if you want to try to pretend that I deserve to lose my skin and awards due to intentional feeders reporting me. Humans make mistakes. Riot doesn't allow you to make ANY. This whole 'ban everyone that hurt your feelings' bullshit is more toxic than anyone coming up to me and telling me to kill myself.

I'd rather receive deaththreats from randoms on the internet and still be able to play my game over being perma banned because little johny was inting and then I swore at him. One of these things affects my life and the other I can tune out because I am an adult that knows what a mute button is.

I guess I just don't agree with the standard elitist mindset of 'we're better than you, you're all idiots, I never get upset or say negative things so why doesn't everyone else just be me'.

FullmuteAll playSep 9, 20183 votes

Idc you can call it however you want, I gave you other options, if you can't be "elitist". People don't, animals do. As I said, Riot goal is to reduce toxicity, and penalizing rewards as an external control agent is effective. Stop this bad days, humans make mistakes. I have wished death to toxic animals already like 8 times and still didn't get penalized. Because I am not toxic on constant basis. It is not fcking mistakes, it is being constantly toxic to get banned. I personally dgaf about this feeling stuff , but your fcking toxicity reduces efficiency of team performance. And I am all for not seeing players like you in my games. Like really have the game fcked, just because you can't control yourself. And using rewards as external control agent is effective for some players. Anyway, from your response, I see you are not even going to try to get this reward. Just keep in mind being toxic to little johny will make him feed even more and will guarantee you not being control him and potentially make him intentionally feed to make you feel worse.

Spear of ZeoniaSep 9, 20183 votes

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Idc you can call it however you want, I gave you other options, if you can't be "elitist". People don't, animals do. As I said, Riot goal is to reduce toxicity, and penalizing rewards as an external control agent is effective. Stop this bad days, humans make mistakes. I** have wished death to toxic animals already like 8 times and still didn't get penalized.** Because I am not toxic on constant basis. It is not fcking mistakes, it is being constantly toxic to get banned. I personally dgaf about this feeling stuff , but your fcking toxicity reduces efficiency of team performance. And I am all for not seeing players like you in my games. Like really have the game fcked, just because you can't control yourself. And using rewards as external control agent is effective for some players. Anyway, from your response, I see you are not even going to try to get this reward. Just keep in mind being toxic to little johny will make him feed even more and will guarantee you not being control him and potentially make him intentionally feed to make you feel worse.

I never have wished death on these people. You deserve permanent bans for performing 0 tolerance acts based on your own logic. I don't think you do, but your white knight friends would disagree with me.

I do understand why games don't allow threats. I get that. I really do. I just don't find the "all negative chat is punishable by stealing away merit based rewards and permanent account banning" thing very fair. You threatened players. I said they had a weak mental state for inting instead of playing. One of us is banned andits NOT the person telling people to die. Its also not the people int'ing in my examples. Its extremely bullshit how this system works and you helped prove it. Thanks.

Queen Of YuriSep 9, 20182 votes

after reading threw I can definitely can say I 110% agree with you on this and how bullshit of a system riot has in place that people have to live in fear on typing in chat because you can get banned for just about anything and it really caters to the over sensitive people who can't handle criticism on their own gameplay getting flamed by someone for playing but it is not always fun but it can really make you want to get better and prove those flamers wrong BUT what isn't ok in this system is how blatantly ok it is to HARD INT and SOFT INT as long as you don't type and buy like 6 tears riot really has dropped the ball on a lot of things this year and this system is one of them. Every day we hear about how inting and win trading in HIGH ELO is a persistent problem but of course we better ban out those people for using words when they put in a way for people mute them.

Double SniffSep 9, 20181 votes

**I have wished death to toxic animals already like 8 times and still didn't get penalized. ** (ScoundrelRuffian (NA). That guys is a hero! Better keep him in the game! ---Riot

Lulu the SupportOct 23, 20191 votes

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It actually is VERY hard to get if you ever get ANY penalty ever. A chat restriction locks you and demotes you rank 1 with no checkpoints. You have to first UNLOCK it then grind for honor which took over a month for a single checkpoint regardless of daily playing of multiple games with honors being donated to me with an average of 1.5-2 honors per game. if you get ANY ban time you're at rank 0 and it'll take almost a year to get to a place where you can collect ranked rewards.

These are supposed to be RANKED rewards, not 'I catered to overly sensitive people' rewards.

You're calling human beings that get upset once in a while animals and insinuating you're a better person simply because you don't get caught when you have your temper tantrums. That's a pretty elitist view. One I'm I've come to expect from the League community.

Amen, brotha'! Truths have been spoken.

Double SniffSep 9, 20181 votes

A passive aggressive line of text versus an actual feeding/verbally abusive/troll, who will win! I've seen the person defending themselves get taken down more than trolls lol

MagicFlyingLlamaSep 9, 20185 votes

Fuck your opinion.

Just going off what you said..

Really though, Riot sees no reason to reward toxic players - the goal is to deter toxicity. If people cant be decent human beings and have a little respect, maybe their sense of greed and entitlement can be used to reign them in.

Spear of ZeoniaSep 9, 20183 votes

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Fuck your opinion.

This is the elitism I expect from the League community.

Its not rewarding the behavior... Its rewarding the skill. The behavior is separate. Keep the key fragment lock and the honor rewards locked away and ban people, whatever gets the politically correct people off at night. I just don't think that your idea of character should determine if someone gets their rightful trophy for the skill they possess. That's the argument.

My opinion is just a side note. Something that I don't think people take into account. Most of the trolls are just regular people who love the game but have been denied any purpose so they just mess with others knowing they have nothing to lose anymore after riot took away all the fruits of their labor.

MagicFlyingLlamaSep 9, 20183 votes

People who think like that are worthless trash, but it does not matter if they think they have nothing to lose - they can still just get permbanned.

Alex h8721Sep 9, 20184 votes

just dont talk and ping things, only way to not get reported lol

Spear of ZeoniaSep 9, 20182 votes

its sad that not talking in a competitive team game is the only recourse normal people have. It leads to more losses than if someone flips out 1/20+ games imo, but no one cares about competition, gotta get them virtue points on the interwebs.

GabresolSep 9, 20184 votes

People acting like it's a award worthy deed to reach honor lvl 5...

Double SniffSep 9, 20181 votes

It is, but it is a whole different story when it comes to the skill of the game. You shouldn't have to be good at kissing ass to show that you are good at the game.

GabresolSep 10, 20183 votes

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It is, but it is a whole different story when it comes to the skill of the game. You shouldn't have to be good at kissing ass to show that you are good at the game.

I gained level 5 only by playing good enough to get honored and not acting like a douchebag in chat. I rarely give anything else but tactical information in chat, even less do I praise my teamates (there are emotes for that, no need to use chat). If I do anything ,else then informing my team about incoming ganks or enemy positioning overall, I write jokes or explain my item pathing.

Or do you actually believe, that not insutling people qualifies as brown-nosing?

Cherry TsundereSep 9, 20183 votes

I've reached honor 5 like a few months ago. all I had to do was not type in chat.

Double SniffSep 9, 20182 votes

And how long ago where you ranked 2 in honor?

lt takes such a long time! I have been playing this game regularly and I am still in honor 4. And that is from starting from the lvl 2 honor. I cannot imagine how amazingly long it would take to even get to lvl 3 honor from honor rank 0 (you have to unlock your honor levels and then start the climb back to just lvl 2 to claim any ranked or honor rewards). It is pretty ridiculous.

Now--Imagine you are playing in your placements; you have finally gotten enough blue essence to acquire the right amount of champs, you have completed the feat of topping your account's level at 30, you have held your tongue so nothing bad happens to your hard worked account, and something is then typed into pre game chat: "im plat 4 on my main."

Cool! This should be an easy win for low gold/high silver elo you've been playing in!

He then feeds. Sits under tower to give first blood. AFK dances at dragon pit while enemy team gets baron etc. You show your distaste in chat, "I can't believe you are plat, you're playing like you must have bought this silver 2 account."

He and his now feeding duo report you and you report them as well for throwing/inting in your placements. Somehow, you now have chat restrictions and _your _honor lvl is now demolished. Your climb to be placed in at least Gold now means nothing. You get no rewards and the trolls get away with inting/negitive behavior/afk. Why would you continue to play the game?

**TO SUMMARIZE ** Why is this how the system works?? Why do the feeding trolls get you demoted and punished while they get the reward of that pop up window--"Your report has lead to action." Where is your justice for singling out their bad deeds?

It seems the only 'answers' are round abouts of, "Well no one should be toxic and that's final! Yours must be a one of a kind case!" This is not an abnormality, so please, do not say that it is. Just like a cancer, I'm sure it has happened to you or someone you know, so why does riot let this continue?

Why arn't the trolls being punished for doing something much worse than a line of passive aggressive text? They made a game much worse than you did.