Why exactly do we pretend that Malzahar isn't still overpowered?

Moonscourge·1/17/2018, 11:52:46 AM·14 votes·1,441 views

Seriously. He is the #1 winrate mid laner that is actually played for over 2 years now and despite several changes he didn't get close to being balanced yet

32 Comments

Ahristocats1/17/2018, 12:55:37 PM13 votes

he's being nerfed in next patch

who's pretending what?

Tychusfindlay9181/17/2018, 1:37:44 PM6 votes

No one is pretending anything.

I'd imagine most of us are pissed because the last round of nerfs (which were quite fucking hefty in the numbers department) didn't do ANYTHING to fix malzahar's core issue of having both his current passive and ult in his kit.

It was a matter of us saying "well... this doesn't fix him, but it's a big nerf and I'll take that I guess, hopefully less people are incentivized to play this stupid shit"

RainXBlade1/17/2018, 5:26:24 PM4 votes

At this point, they should just revert his kit.

Tykenn1/17/2018, 12:28:20 PM3 votes

Personally, I'd be fine with his kit if he didn't have a point and click stun ultimate. If it were a skill shot akin to a Xerath E, I think that would be better.

So if a team fight was about to break out he couldn't just point and say fuck you in in particular. There would actually be some counter play to it from the person getting ulti'd.

GripaAviara1/17/2018, 7:17:14 PM3 votes

People here still think Zoe is ok so

deadlychuck1/18/2018, 4:09:25 AM3 votes

Because to admit that they can't feasibly balance him or make his kit work, would basically require them to admit that their tampering with the champion in the MYMU was actually just an all around mistake. With respect to balance, not pissing off the old malzahar players, and giving him more interactive gameplay.

Really, all riot did was round out his mechanical radar chart. They added more mechanics to his kit and removed some power from his old mechanics. Where as before you could exploit a few glaring weak points in his kit's design, now it's almost impossible due to these intermediate mechanics like E refresh, the reduction of dependency on his combo, and his passive.

This is one of the worst problems riot has had with all of their more recent designs and reworks, and largely why the class reworks failed. You can't just round off all of the unique weaknesses of the different champions in a class and expect them to become more unique as champions. Even more so when you're doing so around a hypothetical "ideal" version of a class, when in reality, you could've just made a champion for each class which perfectly embodied this "ideal" which you pushed all of the champions towards.

Malzahar got lumped in with the subclass of "battle mage", which was a serious deviation from how he actually played, which is why it's been so difficult for them to make a "battle mage" utilizing the existing mechanics + a few extra slapped on. He was a mage assassin hybrid. Taking cues from both types of general designs. The precision damage reminiscent of an assassin, but the (lack of) mobility and CC more common to a mage. You could find a term to categorize the champion, but it really doesn't need to be, else you then start releasing champions, and adjusting existing ones, to provide this abstract ideal, which reduces the uniqueness of the champions.

INT then ULT1/18/2018, 4:13:56 AM2 votes

He isn't overpowered. He's anti-assassin and anti-dive. He has no mobility or escapes.

Crimsonninja1171/17/2018, 9:56:37 PM1 votes

I think its just cause they dont know how to fix malz i mean look at ryze they have reworked him how any times? when it come to certain champs they just dont care/know what to do

Lauchmelder1/17/2018, 10:03:09 PM1 votes

I mean, he is as balanced as he can be with his current kit.

Which means, you'd have to rework him to balance him for good.

Dorans Pants1/17/2018, 11:50:49 PM1 votes

because there are only two entities in the entire universe unable to fail: Dr. Doom and riot games

ExternalLink1/18/2018, 12:10:22 AM1 votes

Because this season has doubled down on the garbage start that the past three seasons have displayed.

warpenguin5551/19/2018, 3:52:22 PM1 votes

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Mordepool1/17/2018, 3:52:27 PM1 votes

It sucks but you can make him not cancer to play against by buying adaptive helm. Effectively crippling your build.

Kanzler1/17/2018, 6:11:52 PM1 votes

Because none of you thought so until he was played at worlds and then you all pre-ordered bandwagon tickets.

Rip my hidden op pocket pick.

PokladnicaZla1/17/2018, 3:09:22 PM1 votes

Well,both WW and Urgot had their point and click suppresion ultimates removed.He's next