Current state of Midlane

SNOW SOS··2 votes·1,172 views

So the Mage Update hit a while ago and changed a lot of things about most Mid champs. I wanted to share my thoughts and see if anyone else agrees or has different views on what it's currently like to play mid. Items: I have to say as a mid main I absolutely hate all the Item changes. I can understand maybe the intentions that were behind these changes but what ended up happening is that I find more of my favorite items less powerful with the same amount of utility they had before. The mana changes seem somewhat unnoticeable( at least for me). Where as the Marksman update made me want all the new AD items this Mage update made me not want any of these AP items. Overall AP amounts are lower and the different build paths are now just about nonexistent. Before you had a choice between item 3165 and item 3174, but now unless you're almost always going to pick item 3165. Why was item 3157 nerfed so hard? Fraction of the ap and double the CD for what? 10% cdr? Playing an AD mid as of right now has never felt better, you get to take full advantage of all the buffed AD items and all the nerfed utility items item 3140 item 3157(feels good).The reason Zed is so strong currently in just about every mid matchup is because item 3140 no longer affects him and the one line of defense item 3157 is garbage. item 3030 item 3152 These items seem... meh.item 3152 can be quite useful at times but item 3030 is seeing almost no play as far as I can tell (the stats on it aren't even bad it has 80Ap!). The mana changes I'm indifferent about, I honestly haven't noticed a huge difference(maybe that means they're working idk).In summary I feel like the items are less powerful and the build paths seem more limited with random CDR mixed in and AD mids are really strong right now. TLDR I want more heavy hitting AP items(I'd love something like dfg to make a return)

Champs: I think the champ changes are fine with most of them well needed however I'm curious why Ahri,Orianna and Lissandra didn't see even the smallest quality of life changes. Especially since Rioted moved Ahri more from Assassin to Mage. Just seemed like everyone else got a little something. I guess it's hard to work on all mages at the same time but when one of your favorite champs is left out [zombie-nunu-bummed]

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Blåbæret3 votes

What on earth is wrong with Ori, Ahri and Liss? Those are all fairly well-balanced champs. Idk what ur on about tbh.

Serevas1 votes

Well Ahri no longer sits at a 54% win rate with 20% play rate, it's now only 52% win rate with a 12% play rate. Such an awful turn of events. It's almost like she's semi-balanced.

In all seriousness, Ahri was strong before, and now feels fairly balanced. Mid lane feels more balanced than ever, 22/47 champions commonly played in mid lane have a 50% win rate or higher. Due to the reduced AP in items it's not as easy to 1 shot opponents, which allows a potential comeback so it doesn't feel completely hopeless if you lose lane. Most champions feel balanced in mid lane, none of them really feeling completely overpowered. Zed's winrate is sitting at 47% which feels pretty good if you ask me. Assassins feel like crap to play, but the update was focused around mages in the first place, so I'd say that's a logical turn of events.

SNOW SOS1 votes

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Well Ahri no longer sits at a 54% win rate with 20% play rate, it's now only 52% win rate with a 12% play rate. Such an awful turn of events. It's almost like she's semi-balanced.

In all seriousness, Ahri was strong before, and now feels fairly balanced. Mid lane feels more balanced than ever, 22/47 champions commonly played in mid lane have a 50% win rate or higher. Due to the reduced AP in items it's not as easy to 1 shot opponents, which allows a potential comeback so it doesn't feel completely hopeless if you lose lane. Most champions feel balanced in mid lane, none of them really feeling completely overpowered. Zed's winrate is sitting at 47% which feels pretty good if you ask me. Assassins feel like crap to play, but the update was focused around mages in the first place, so I'd say that's a logical turn of events.

Win rates aren't the whole story, I think Vlad is in a very good (if not strong)place despite his win rate being low.

Serevas1 votes

Win rates definitely aren't the whole story, but they do paint a pretty good picture as to how useful a champion is to their team.

SNOW SOS1 votes

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Win rates definitely aren't the whole story, but they do paint a pretty good picture as to how useful a champion is to their team.

I would have to disagree with that, Azir is by far more useful to his team than a Malz(yet the winrates are way different). As for the original comment of only 2 ad champs are in the top 20... Well I mean there's only like 3 AD mids. Which tend to fall out late game, their build paths are still way more rewarding and filled with choice compared to AP mids atm.

Serevas1 votes

And a bad Azir is way more of a detriment to their team than bad Malzahar, add Azir's skill floor to the equation and you have the reason for Azir's win rate being in the 47% area. Zed isn't difficult to play, He has a higher skill cap than some champions sure, but his skill floor is rather low. Back when I played Zed I had barely any idea what I was doing and yet I could still managed to go 35/6/6 with him, and he's far weaker now than he was then.

AD Mids Zed Talon Jayce Ezreal Quinn Yasuo Gangplank Corki Varus and the odd Jhin Some of them with play rates so low they don't show up in statistics, I do agree that a lot of their build paths certainly feel better, but that's largely because AD itemization was reworked with bot lane in mind primarily, and their backs are far more frequent often with much less gold as well.

I guess my point is that while Zed isn't super fun to lane against, he offers next to nothing to his team when team fights begin and that's where Zed's difficulty shows up. The trick to beating zed in lane is to not eat every shuriken he throws and don't let him kill you, which is much easier than most seem to think. Additionally summoner 3 exists for champions like Zed, it's pretty handy.

SNOW SOS1 votes

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What on earth is wrong with Ori, Ahri and Liss? Those are all fairly well-balanced champs. Idk what ur on about tbh.

I was just saying everyone else seemed to get some sort of quality of life change besides them. The Ziggs change wasn't something major for example but he got a little something. Liss could definitely use some love on her passive I think.

Blåbæret1 votes

Liss passive is a bit boring, yeah, but those champions aren't in need of any changes whatsoever. Changing stuff just for the sake of changing stuff is bad.

SNOW SOS1 votes

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Liss passive is a bit boring, yeah, but those champions aren't in need of any changes whatsoever. Changing stuff just for the sake of changing stuff is bad.

But the Passive Liss has is awkward and really just a worse version of the passive Xerath has.

Blåbæret1 votes

And? That doesn't mean she needs buffs.

Catastrop1 votes

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But the Passive Liss has is awkward

Um how? Also, Zed is hardly "strong in just about every matchup", he's pathetic at most(not that there's anything wrong with that as I'd like him to stay that way).

noname98883 votes

"satisfied with the state of midlane" if you're good @ mid lane you will do good no matter what so your post is invalid

SNOW SOS2 votes

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"satisfied with the state of midlane" if you're good @ mid lane you will do good no matter what so your post is invalid

Said nothing about my play just said the update wasn't satisfying compared to the others. This isn't a "omg mids suck" it's a "that mage update was pretty lackluster". And I grantee you my play is just fine regardless of the changes.

Phenyxs2 votes

Good point. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] :

noname98881 votes

i know it was a good point

ActivatingEMP1 votes

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"satisfied with the state of midlane" if you're good @ mid lane you will do good no matter what so your post is invalid

That's why I like mid :)

Girthy Uncle2 votes

I understand where you are coming from the cool down on hour glass is absurd and DFG was just such an awesome item(way back when). It would be cool to get another item like it maybe at some point

SNOW SOS1 votes

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top 20 win rates for midlane https://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Middle 1 is AD.

top 20 for midlane stats overall https://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.overallPosition&order=ascend&roleSort=Middle 2 are AD. Aps are in a good spot.

This isn't a discussion about win rates it's about the midlane after the mage update, which I would say out of the 3 specialized updates so far it's the weakest one.

Marshbouy1 votes

by weakest you mean the one that didnt break every single champion that was updated? subjective opinion<statistics.

SNOW SOS1 votes

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by weakest you mean the one that didnt break every single champion that was updated? subjective opinion<statistics.

I think what you're saying is also true, but eventually those broken champs got tuned into an alright place while the new items they introduced are still exciting. item 3094 Is really the only Item that got a big nerf all the other ad items are still hot. Like I said I thought the champ changes were alright but the item changes weren't what I as a mid main wanted.

Astôlfo1 votes

does this guy actually think zed is good holy shit my sides im dying with laughter

SNOW SOS1 votes

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does this guy actually think zed is good holy shit my sides im dying with laughter

You're bronze 4... I don't think you have the best opinion on who is strong.

Astôlfo1 votes

And you're a G1 who still thinks Zed is anything except trash. I'm literally crying with laughter.

SNOW SOS1 votes

Interesting how I haven't seen a single comment above Silver 4

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