can someone help me understand MMR a little better? i have 61% win ratio in ranked on silver, i am a s2 player and i have a 71% win ratio with wu jungle over 70 games, but whenever i win i get 17,18 maybe 20 LP which makes it hard to climb even tho i have a high win ratio, i played against a G2 player a couple of games ago and won and still got 18 LP, what can i do to get better MMR?
Infernape1 votesKeep winning. Once your MMR climbs above that of your division's average, your LP gains will increase.
BestPudgeNA1 votesKeep winning. Once your MMR climbs above that of your division's average, your LP gains will increase.
They can decrease actually.
Gerald Weasley1 votesWhen did you start getting this this win ratio? Is it recent?
I will jungle1 votesI've been winning since i started ranking 62% win ratio but i just got my account banned for 14 days so rip. ( i was flaming a zed who went support and before that a zed who went jg and a lulu who went top )
BestPudgeNA1 votescan someone help me understand MMR a little better? i have 61% win ratio in ranked on silver, i am a s2 player and i have a 71% win ratio with wu jungle over 70 games, but whenever i win i get 17,18 maybe 20 LP which makes it hard to climb even tho i have a high win ratio, i played against a G2 player a couple of games ago and won and still got 18 LP, what can i do to get better MMR?
Your MMR decides the range of players you can play with, then it decides how much LP you gain/losing in a win loss. If you're matched up with players that have a lower MMR then you, you will gain very little LP for a win and if you're matched up with players with higher MMR you will gain a lot for a win. The problem you're having is people that are at the higher end of you MMR in Silver 1-Gold4 aren't quing, but people on the lower end of your MMR S4-3 are quing up a ton. So you're getting placed in games towards the middle/lower end of your MMR.
You think getting 17-18 for a win is bad try getting +13 vs -22 in a Silver 4 game because you're on a 12 game win streak. I literally had 6 wins and 4 losses after my 12 game win streak and like was -4 LP lol.
Also, i'm confident that you didn't actually play anyone in G2 and it's just someone with a copy cat name.
I will jungle1 votesi did play against a G2 its not the name i checked after game, and thanks anyway
Gerald Weasley1 votes+13 vs -22 in a Silver 4 game because you're on a 12 game win streak.
You are not getting that LP because you are on a winning streak, that's not how the system works. Winning IMPROVES your MMR, not diminish it. Nobody knows exactly how MMR is calculated, but it sounds like you're either getting really bad grades in your games, poor CS and KDA ratios, and you're just getting lucky with wins. Consistent wins improve MMR.
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You are not getting that LP because you are on a winning streak, that's not how the system works. Winning IMPROVES your MMR, not diminish it. Nobody knows exactly how MMR is calculated, but it sounds like you're either getting really bad grades in your games, poor CS and KDA ratios, and you're just getting lucky with wins. Consistent wins improve MMR.
Nice necro
No i'm getting those LP swings because my teams MMR is higher then the opposing teams. It's higher because my MMR is higher.
MMR is an ELO system. Grades at the end of the game mean nothing. I was literally getting S's in ever game completely dominated every single +5 KDA solo 3+ Dragons and Rift ever game even a few solo barons, top CS, Top dmg to tower, top dmg to champs ect.
Subdue1 votesNice necro
No i'm getting those LP swings because my teams MMR is higher then the opposing teams. It's higher because my MMR is higher.
MMR is an ELO system. Grades at the end of the game mean nothing. I was literally getting S's in ever game completely dominated every single +5 KDA solo 3+ Dragons and Rift ever game even a few solo barons, top CS, Top dmg to tower, top dmg to champs ect.
You're passing along incorrect or at least incomplete information.
MMR is determined by wins/losses. Winning raises your MMR, while losing lowers it. The higher your MMR, the better your teammates and opponents are.
However, LP gain/loss is determined by your MMR relative to your current Tier / Division. Usually your MMR are in sync, but sometimes they can fall out of sync, particularly when you have lost a number of games while at 0 LP, but haven't dropped down into the next Division yet, or when you've won many games in a row, such that your MMR has gotten ahead of your Division. When your MMR is below your Tier / Division, such as, for example, if you lost 20 games in a row while at Gold 5 with 0LP, placing your MMR most likely around Silver 3, your LP gains will be very small, while your LP losses will be very large. The converse is also true. If you get to your promos in a division and continue to win but then dodge to intentionally fail your promos, your MMR will stay the same but you won't progress to the next Tier/Division. Do this enough times, and you'll likely be gaining 30+ LP per win, and losing 8-10 per loss, because your MMR will have jumped ahead of your Tier / Division. When your MMR and Tier/Division are sync, your LP gains/losses per game are typically about the same.
BestPudgeNA1 votesYou're passing along incorrect or at least incomplete information.
MMR is determined by wins/losses. Winning raises your MMR, while losing lowers it. The higher your MMR, the better your teammates and opponents are.
However, LP gain/loss is determined by your MMR relative to your current Tier / Division. Usually your MMR are in sync, but sometimes they can fall out of sync, particularly when you have lost a number of games while at 0 LP, but haven't dropped down into the next Division yet, or when you've won many games in a row, such that your MMR has gotten ahead of your Division. When your MMR is below your Tier / Division, such as, for example, if you lost 20 games in a row while at Gold 5 with 0LP, placing your MMR most likely around Silver 3, your LP gains will be very small, while your LP losses will be very large. The converse is also true. If you get to your promos in a division and continue to win but then dodge to intentionally fail your promos, your MMR will stay the same but you won't progress to the next Tier/Division. Do this enough times, and you'll likely be gaining 30+ LP per win, and losing 8-10 per loss, because your MMR will have jumped ahead of your Tier / Division. When your MMR and Tier/Division are sync, your LP gains/losses per game are typically about the same.
This is false my MMR was Silver 1 while i was in Silver 4. I was getting -20 or more and +15 or less. LP gains are based off MMR not rank.
Subdue1 votesThis is false my MMR was Silver 1 while i was in Silver 4. I was getting -20 or more and +15 or less. LP gains are based off MMR not rank.
First of all, you don't know what your MMR was when you were in Silver 4, or at any time. At best, you might have the approximation from sites like Op.gg.
Your MMR does affect how much LP you get. However, the effect is based on the your MMR in relation to your Tier/Division. If it were JUST based on your MMR, then we'd expect Bronze players to be earning massive amounts of LP per win, and losing next to nothing per loss (Not the case), and we'd also expect Diamond players to be losing massive amounts and gaining less than nothing for a win (Also not the case).