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Venting: You can never trust cheese

heroikc·3/3/2019, 7:34:06 PM·1 votes·1,380 views

Plain fact. Just had a game where I played jg MonkeyKing against a jg Twitch...alongside a toplane Vayne. Needless to say, whatever the Vayne hoped to do, she was denied a chance to snowball because she gave not one...not two...but three kills onto the Twitch before 4 minutes. Top lane was essentially dead and the Twitch got the boost he needed. The Vayne also proceeded to feed onto her Kennen opponent...about 5 more times. Seriously, she was struggling to make do with two item 1036 while Kennen completed a item 3152. Honestly, the only time I did gank for her, I secured the kill because I did not trust her potential; she was way behind and the enemy team had Zyra Alistar and Jinx (combined with a fed Twitch and Kennen). She would end the game with only two kills (likely gained during the few teamfights she joined) and lots of splitpushing, and 17 deaths to show for it.

Still, just because the Twitch's cheese succeeded early, didn't mean he was excused either. Especially since he was my second kill and I secured a 700 gold bounty on him. Sure I died to his allied Zyra, but I got more value from his death than Zyra did from me. Then I started ganking midlane, booping Zyra (and often visiting Twitch) where I gave the allied Xerath several kills and a few assists. Heck, I even stole an infernal drake from a five-man attempt (no smite, just an E) and then destroy the Twitch. Didn't even die as the teamfight ensued. Point is, despite a strong early game, I could shut down the Twitch (and Zyra and Jinx) with a simple combo of EQR, and soon EQ-aa before they could do anything.

Combined with a fed Xerath, we managed to eke out a win. It was close since we largely fought 4v5 with the Vayne splitpushing to minimal effect and they were on our nexus (all towers in mid gone nexus very vulnerable). But yeah, it solidified my distrust for cheese tactics like Marksman tops and Twitch jungle; they're either painfully annoying or outright useless.

16 Comments

Bardmageddon3/3/2019, 7:36:11 PM1 votes

I feel offended

xDogMeatx3/3/2019, 7:37:37 PM1 votes

i hate those instant death cheese champs if they interact with you once your dead.

The Ecdysiast3/3/2019, 8:09:48 PM1 votes

Marksmen top, specifically Vayne or Quinn, go top as counters to melee champions who are vulnerable to kiting. The fact your top laner stupidly picked Vayne into Kennen, or picked Vayne before the enemy top laner picked at all, has nothing to do with the strength of it when chosen at the appropriate time.

In the future, think about why people pick certain things in certain circumstances. The very same ignorance that is making you complain about it is the ignorance your Vayne showed by picking her against the wrong opponent.

Similarly, despite the fact he literally has cheese, Twitch in the jungle was not cheese when it was viable. The problem here is that both marksman items and jungle monsters have been changed twice each since the time when it was actually a good pick. The fact the enemy Twitch was ignorant of the fact it's no longer viable also has nothing to do with it.