Why Does Warrior and Runic Echoes Give the Same Amount of AD/AP?

Targon·7/4/2017, 6:20:52 PM·3 votes·447 views

Warrior gives 60 AD + 10% CDR, while Runic Echoes gives 60 AP + 7% MS + Echo Passive. Warrior is 145% gold efficient and Runic Echoes is 97% gold efficient (without its passive). The Echo passive gives a bonus 60 + 10% AP magic damage after 100 charges - for the passive to make Runic Echoes have the same gold efficiency as Warrior, it would need to be worth 785 gold. Is it really worth that amount though? Thoughts?

4 Comments

Call Me Nana7/4/2017, 6:35:13 PM4 votes

because it was on par with melee champs when it gave 80 + 10% but Riot likes to put mages in a bad spot at all points of the game. so champs like : Yasuo Zed LeeSin make the LC$ plays.

Its kind of like when they semi-gutted Elise because she was doing better than Lee $in. they took away a bunch of her power, gutted echoes and never returned her champion debuffs.

but its okay, LeeSin will never ever see nerfs and will always be the most valuable jungler.

EndlessSorcerer7/4/2017, 6:30:32 PM3 votes

You are greatly underestimating the value of the Echo passive and the importance of movement speed for junglers.

Don't forget that:

  • Echo deals 2.5x damage to monsters
  • Echo restores 15% missing mana when you hit a large monster

Movement speed is difficult to determine a gold value for.

Even a slight difference in movement speed can be enough to let you catch/escape enemy champions, avoid skillshots, or reach a skirmish several seconds sooner.

This Is Your Dad7/4/2017, 6:25:31 PM2 votes

I think they need to add 2 ap items, lichbane jungler item or nashor's tooth type ap jungler item with echo jungler item? Maybe even a mini zhonyas item for jungle!

khorney7/4/2017, 6:23:39 PM1 votes

Warrior still gives cdr .Also ap champs are forced to buy echo warrior type champs can buy blood razor cinder or warrior .