Pyke itemization speculation

Jackedup86·May 15, 2018·1 votes·1,517 views

I want to have a discussion about what itemization is going to be like for Pyke. With his passive that turns all bonus HP in AD I think there are going to be some awesome builds.

So first off I think is going to be insanely good on him, the CDR HP and +30% healing are going to be sick with both his passives.

is going to be awesome for both damage and denying vision.

is going to be great for tank dps and healing from ADC damage (especially with ). This also has the benefit of making the adc tankier.

or for lifesteal, damage and utility. I think he will have to have lifesteal to stay alive since he wont have hardly any HP. Also great with .

and of course

I think these items would make for a very well rounded fighter. he could use his stealth to heal up almost all of his HP with the .

12 Comments

VoraciousXMay 15, 20183 votes

We don't actually know the scaling on his abilities or anything yet so we can't be sure building AD will even be a thing. Then again since all his bonus HP is converted into AD, I would suppose that his scalings are all AD.

For items, I 100% believe Warmogs will be bought on him. Frozen Mallet, Dead Man's. Sterak's, maybe Trinity Force due to it's synergy with Sterak's, but not sure about that.

Jackedup86May 15, 20181 votes

Yeah they have to be AD. But what I am most worried about is the amount of AD he gets per HP. Depending on that it might not be worth building HP items.

Warmogs seems nice but I think the warmog passive is pretty redundant on him, since he will already heal a large portion of champion damage when he drops from vision. Oh and I dont think he can get to 3000 HP

ModWulf HelhammerMay 15, 20181 votes

There's a comment from Rioters saying that in playtests he builds items like Duskblade and Ghostblade.

Also, this isn't like Vlad's passive where you get bonus stuff in addition to the stat you bought. He can't get bonus HP -- it get's converted into AD.

VoraciousXMay 15, 20181 votes

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There's a comment from Rioters saying that in playtests he builds items like Duskblade and Ghostblade.

Also, this isn't like Vlad's passive where you get bonus stuff in addition to the stat you bought. He can't get bonus HP -- it get's converted into AD.

Yeah I thought about this a minute ago. I forgot that he wouldn't be actually getting TO the health threshold for Warmogs. Sterak's might still be good on him, as it'll give him 50% of his base AD + some more from the health the item gives and a shield. The shield just might not be as good as anyone else building it. Frozen Mallet still sounds like a solid item on him. Duskblade would be good for ward clearing, as well as the damage. Ghostblade sounds alright but I'd want to make more use out of his passive by using health item passives/actives on a damage champion honestly. Imagine running super fast with Dead Man's Plate, but then having enough damage to actually kill people at the same time?

Jackedup86May 15, 20181 votes

Yeah I dont think Steraks is going to very powerful on him, but I think the builds are going to be full damage or a mix of HP tank items and damage its. For me I am going to try to mix in some utility items and tank items to go with my damage and lifesteal items.

VoraciousXMay 15, 20181 votes

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Yeah I dont think Steraks is going to very powerful on him, but I think the builds are going to be full damage or a mix of HP tank items and damage its. For me I am going to try to mix in some utility items and tank items to go with my damage and lifesteal items.

I dunno, it might. 450 health is a lot, plus he gets 50% of his base AD added on top of that. The shield might not be powerful, but adding the health conversion in with it might make for a really good damage item with a shield on top of it, no matter how little the shield actually is. Not saying it'll be a core item, but it might give quite a lot of AD to him. I'm definitely gonna be trying Frozen Mallet and Dead Man's Plate though. No one will get away from me >:P

Jackedup86May 15, 20181 votes

Oh yeah deadmans plate is going to be awesome. The steraks shield though is based of bonus HP so I dont think you will get a shield at all since this guy cant have bonus HP. So basically you just have 50% bonus base AD and whatever 450 hp translates into

VoraciousXMay 15, 20181 votes

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Oh yeah deadmans plate is going to be awesome. The steraks shield though is based of bonus HP so I dont think you will get a shield at all since this guy cant have bonus HP. So basically you just have 50% bonus base AD and whatever 450 hp translates into

I guess it just depends on how they determine bonus health for him. Forgot Sterak's was based on bonus though. I'm curious of Gargoyle Stone Plate honestly. If the health you gain from it is considered bonus health, he could possibly get more AD than the 60% damage reduction if he activated the passive, while also having 80 MR and armor. Imagine having around 1900 health converted into AD. Assuming it's 10 per 100 health, that'd be 190 AD, subtract that by 60% and he'd get 76 AD, 80 Armor, and 80 Magic Resist when 3 people were nearby and he activated it. Not sure if it'd be worth but that's a lot of defensive and offensive stats on one item. Of course that only assumes the 100% health increase is considered bonus health. If it's not then it'd suck on him 100%.

Jackedup86May 15, 20181 votes

yeah this is such a game changer its hard to say. But I cant wait to start messing with the builds. =D

IndifferentMay 15, 20181 votes

item 3147 item 3142 item 3401 item 3117 item 3814 item 3033 I feel this would be pretty standard itemization for him. But until we get the correct scaling on his HP to AD passive, I cannot say. If the HP to AD scaling is high on his passive you might go for something like item 3022 item 3153 item 3065 This to me seems the most well rounded, with lifesteal, sustain, utility, burst, slows and mobility this build gives him 1500 bonus hp. If we convert that at 10 AD per 100 HP then its 150 AD which is a decent amount

Jackedup86May 15, 20181 votes

I would bet that the conversion would be about that. I feel like the entire point of the passive is to give him access to support items without making him just a shen that can stealth.