Can Tibbers Be Thrown Instead Of Just Appearing?

a w1ld bulbasaur·Aug 16, 2015·112 votes·4,535 views

Annie's ult is instant and you can't get out of not being hit by it if you are in its aoe range.Can it be thrown but the projectile can be faster than Corki's q?

105 Comments

On Your SideAug 16, 201533 votes

She would need some serious compensation because her current flash ult is the only thing that really makes her viable, she's far too immobile without the instant Tibbers stun.

SaiannaAug 16, 201514 votes

compensation like Veigars?

Dude.. You want her deleted?!

straight4freeAug 16, 201510 votes

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She would need some serious compensation because her current flash ult is the only thing that really makes her viable, she's far too immobile without the instant Tibbers stun.

Instead, she flash Ws which is still instant and then follows up with Tibbers. Honestly this is the kind of nerf she needs so she can be put back in the mid lane where she belongs, the Flash-Tibbers is too powerful.

DeusVultAug 17, 20152 votes

item 3070 Veigar

Penta PenguinAug 16, 201518 votes

Tibbers range is not very far, Annie is notorious as a "Flash required" champion if you're going to play her right. Please understand that positioning and zoning is a part of this game not everything is a skill shot

SmokinSickStyleAug 16, 201515 votes

That is a misconception.

Annie's CAST range is 600, however when tibbers appears he has a radius of 290, effectively making anybody near 890 range of annie a charred toast.

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Kind of like that xD

200 units instead is the Aura after the initial burst.

GankLordAug 16, 20155 votes

She also has an indicator that her stun is up honestly people it isn't that hard and if it bothers you that much build a banshees. If you get stunned by tibbers then you damn well deserved it.

Raid Boss MordeAug 17, 20153 votes

Good Annie players will keep their stacks at 3, and right before they use their full combo, they use their Molten Shield. Its really easy to work around that indicator...

KeitronAug 17, 20151 votes

So she has no skill is what you are saying.

iltAug 16, 201512 votes

so like a pokeball

SulghunterAug 16, 201511 votes

Syndra can throw Tibbers. Usually at Annie though.

ChargeItDownMidAug 16, 20157 votes

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Spicy RiceAug 16, 20153 votes

The problem is when said is..

Instant
AOE and 3. Has alot of damage along with said caster being a burst mage

ChargeItDownMidAug 16, 20156 votes

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Spicy RiceAug 16, 20152 votes

The problem is having those in a game where not all champs are hyper mobile

ChargeItDownMidAug 16, 20153 votes

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a w1ld bulbasaurAug 16, 20151 votes

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So it is only a problem if you deliberately pick underpowered champions? I hope you realize that everything is problematic for immobile champions right now because of how underpowered they are on average compared to mobility champions.

But the thing is most really mobile do not have any hard cc, Zed has slow Akali has slow Kat doesn't have any (i don't rally play Kat so i don't know if one her abilities slows) Kha'zix slows Tryndamere slows Yi slows, immobile champs have hard cc Annie stuns Brand stuns Vel knock up and slow , and Annie could just q stun them to get away or catch up

The LovelessAug 17, 20152 votes

The problem is just ur bad for even encouraging an Annie change.

Spicy RiceAug 17, 20151 votes

Ia that how you reply to all opinions that differ from your own? Please, tell me why im wrong for encouraging an annie change.

The LovelessAug 17, 20151 votes

Your match history tells me enough. Negative kda much? Don't tell me it's Annie giving you all those deaths.(?)

Spicy RiceAug 17, 20151 votes

Nice Ad Hominem there, care to present an actual arguement as to why my opinion on changing annie is wrong?

The LovelessAug 17, 20151 votes

It's just a thing of mine. If someone can't go positive kda in the majority of their games, I don't think they should speak on game balance. I wish you well.

a w1ld bulbasaurAug 17, 20151 votes

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It's just a thing of mine. If someone can't go positive kda in the majority of their games, I don't think they should speak on game balance. I wish you well.

you can say nothing your not lvl 30 and you only have 3 wins and 18 kills in normals.

GankLordAug 16, 20155 votes

Are people really complaining about Annie? Can people not see the ring of smoke that indicates that her stun is up? We might as well complain about Warwick's ult next which is instant as well and you can't get out of it if you are in range. Get good please.

WyrmbladeAug 16, 20155 votes

What if It had a far longer range and came out faster the closer it is to her.

That way it could solve annie's problem with needing to flash engage, still lets her get an instant stun off if somebody's in her face, and makes it so there's some way to dodge it.

Aeolian MelodiesAug 16, 20152 votes

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What if It had a far longer range and came out faster the closer it is to her.

That way it could solve annie's problem with needing to flash engage, still lets her get an instant stun off if somebody's in her face, and makes it so there's some way to dodge it.

The last thing it needs is to have better range.

The LovelessAug 17, 20153 votes

Oh so let's nerf with no compensation? You can't have your cake and eat it too

C9 Scott Free Aug 17, 20151 votes

You should probably asK Zed about that one. You could also ask Akali. You could also ask Syndra. You could also ask Lucian. I mean really you could ask a lot of people. Any jungler that uses runeglave all thanks to Ezreal. 10 Ap is not compensation for utter nerfs to pvp of the item.

RatbertAug 17, 20152 votes

Nerfing the only thing making annie viable now requires some form of buff. All the other champs but syndra had something else going for them. Mostly mobility and poke.

Danyul TargaryenAug 16, 20153 votes

if she does get the delay shell just flash w you instead lol

Aeolian MelodiesAug 16, 20157 votes

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if she does get the delay shell just flash w you instead lol

Flash W is easier to see coming because the range on W is shorter than the range on Tibbers.

ShitsurenAug 16, 20153 votes

it would be cool if when annie has her ult she carries tibbers and when she doesn't she has no tibber in her hand

TheLastShadow45Aug 16, 20152 votes

This is about the only thing they can do to her. But she still has her instant W cast.

bradAug 16, 20152 votes

you realize she will just flash w instead right?

making tibbers not instant solves nothing

Yosuke ApperuAug 16, 20155 votes

In the same respects then you're saying that making tibbers not instant hurts nothing, so why not do it? :P

bradAug 16, 20152 votes

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In the same respects then you're saying that making tibbers not instant hurts nothing, so why not do it? :P

not fixing a problem != not hurting anything

it hurts annie, in that her ult now has a cast time and can be dodged, but it doesnt solve the problem of getting instantly stunned by her, because she can use her w to do it anyway

Diananmen SquareAug 16, 20152 votes

Report Annie for throwing, thanks.

Silents429Aug 16, 20152 votes

This won't change anything. Instead of using her ult to stun she just uses W or Q then throws Tibbers.

You are doing nothing but changing the order of her combo, no outplay potential is being gained.

551202Aug 17, 20152 votes

They will not fix annie because they love when champs are broken

LegacyDAPAug 17, 20152 votes

Nice try. They're not fixing Annie, because it's one of the last counters to mobility creep.

FuaztinAug 16, 20151 votes

It's too much effort and no reward. Rito won't do it because annie's flash stun won't change except for a slight range reduction.

iainB85Aug 17, 20151 votes

Been suggested a million times. Will upvote it every time I see it.

Annie the last standing instant AoE stun in the game (rip Veigar ).

Make it it a projectile, and give it a little more range to compensate. Such a no brainer change.

NA DarklarikAug 17, 20151 votes

UPvoted because Annie has no counter play other than out ranging her which is stupid.

Give her Q the Veigar treatment?

A Miss FortuneAug 17, 20151 votes

I don't care if they increased the damage of Tibbers, just make it actually dodgeable.

QuincyFalconAug 17, 20151 votes

I actually think this is a great idea. Giving Tibbers the Phosphorus Bomb treatment (Except maybe a little faster) would definitely bring some added counter-play to the ability, and more decision making on the Annie's part on when to throw him out.

TraxicusAug 17, 20151 votes

Change it to a projectile, slightly buff the range to compensate. Yes please.

It's really frustrating to me that Riot is completely against Veigar's instant stun but has no problem with Annie's. It doesn't matter if it's an ultimate or not, the mere fact that it exists in their kit means you have to accept you can be instantly stunned whenever it's up and you're in range.

MeruvinAug 17, 20151 votes

Or make it like a Bard Ult. That thing is slow and easy to dodge despite it's radius. A falling giant tibbers would be a good animation.

xpo1220Aug 18, 20151 votes

Changing Annie's ult into a projectile changes nothing but her spell rotation, she'll just flash WRQ instead of RWQ and she'll still do the exact same damage to you throughout the game. If you're saying her W is shorter in range and more predictable, while it is true, it doesn't fix what you guys are wanting - her ability to instantly AoE stun. Wanting to be able to react to Tibbers is nice and all, but a majority of Annie players will just hold onto their ult until its guaranteed to hit.