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Why is Blue Essence so BAD and How Can it be FIXED?

Rynojos··12 votes·2,251 views

Hello, I'm Rynojos, and I just got to level 48. So, I happily went to open my Level Capsule (Since I LOVE opening capsules and chests in LoL).

To my dismay, I open this from the capsule:

  • Olaf (Worth 630 BE)
  • Sivir (Worth 90 BE)
  • 90 BE

This totals out to be ~810 BE. And I'm thinking "What? This is horrible." It really is. I was very upset and it compelled me to post this thread. ~~I played maybe 30 total games to get to this point, and I won 3 daily win games. ~~

So, with the revamped BE system, I basically got 960 BE (has +150 BE from 3 daily wins) from ~30 games. If this were the old system, I could have gotten 450 IP from the 3 wins in 3 days and with those wins, I likely could have gotten another 100 IP from each win.

If all 30 games were taken into account, with the average IP gained per game being a generously low 70 IP plus the 250 IP from the 3 daily wins, the total IP gained will be ~2640 IP. This is very different from what we will get in the new system. In the old system, I would have gotten 275% MORE currency to finish my champ collection than I do in the new system. SEE EDIT AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST

There are many ways to FIX this problem that many people are outraged with. Some include:

  • Buffing Level Capsules: If the Level Capsules were to be buffed, this problem may go away. The skins can be given at earlier levels or the capsules can be more complex. I personally think the capsules can have a choice aspect, like if someone wants more BE, they can do an option to collect more champ shards, but if someone wants more OE, then they can do an option for skin shards or emotes (lower priced skin shards with low chances for expensive skins). This can also fix the OE problem, since many people are unable to get too much OE. Or, the capsules can be buffed all together, to yield even more blue essence. Yes, I know the champ shards inside the capsules can give champ shards at a discounted price, but some people don't want those specific champs and would rather save their blue essence for a 6300 BE champion.

  • Making Games Won Yield More Profits: I feel there should be an added bonus to winning games. I feel each game won can give something like 10-50 BE so people can get more BE from winning games. Once, I wanted a new champ. I specifically wanted Rengar. So, I leveled up, hoping I would get enough BE to get him. Sure enough, I was 7 BE short (not even exaggerating, I was actually 7 BE short). I was very upset. By having this system where winning games can yield some BE, it can be possible to gain the required 7 BE from a few wins rather than another 30 wins and some people may try harder in all of their games, and Intentional Feeding can also be ended.

  • Adding More MISSIONS: I, for one, absolutely LOVE missions. I am the one person who buys mission lines with RP because I LOVE them. If there are more missions to do. These missions can be either daily or can be missions that are added each day, or they can be anything. As long as they can provide the player with more BE, it is fine. The missions can be something like "Deal 20k Damage to Champions in One Game" to win 100 BE or "Have a total kill participation of 20 in a Game in Three Games" to win 125 BE, or anything to get more BE. Missions have endless possibilities and are used for only the daily win bonus, which doesn't even need to use the mission tab. If more missions are added, also, people will have more of a drive to play (and in the long run, will give Riot more profits).

So, I feel the systems to gain more Blue Essence that I listed above should be utilized to give the players a more enjoyable experience in the League client and more opportunity for gaining new champions and more Blue Essence overall. **- TL;DR: I feel a change needs to be made to either buff the Level Capsules to yield more value, make the games won yield more profits in the aspect of blue essence, or more missions can be added to provide more BE. Both the player and Riot benefit from these changes that I listed above.

Thanks for spending your own time to read what my feelings are on the current system! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

EDIT: I am recalculating the number of matches it took me to level up from level 47 to level 48 by using my match history. It takes 3456 xp to go from level 47 to level 48. Now that I am looking at my match history, some of the games don't show how much xp I gained from them. None of my Zoe matches show how much xp I gained, so I will try to calculate the amount I earned to get the final number of matches I played to level up. I played 14 total games with 3 of the wins being daily wins.

So, with this calculation, I still gained 810 BE from the 14 games. With the old system, from the daily wins, you earn 150 IP, plus the approx. 100 IP gained from the game won, and we will estimate from the norms games I get 70 IP (average) and from ARURF games I get 60 IP (average), then I won 3 games, yielding approx. 450 IP plus the 100 IP per match won, making the total be 750 IP. Looking at my match history, of the 14 games I played, 6 of the games were norms (that weren't the daily win), while the other 5 were ARURF (also excluding the daily win). The 3 matches I excluded were games won with the daily win. So, 70 x 6 = 420 and 60 x 5 = 300. All together, the values earned from the 14 games equal 420 + 300 + 750 = 1470. This is more than the 810 BE that we get in this new system.

Yes, I know my argument is based off one level up, but with other levels, the highest I've gotten from one level capsule is one 6300 BE champ, which can be dusted into 1260 BE, which is still less than this amount gained.

If you still have any comments, I am trying to answer them as well as I can, and if you have any questions, please comment.

Sorry for not being clear above :)

28 Comments

ModAcademy Kayn9 votes

Complete bullshit if it took you 30 games to level up, after three first wins as well.

Rynojos1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Mercy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Qim0Ml5g,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-12-27T07:28:40.406+0000)

Complete bullshit if it took you 30 games to level up, after three first wins as well.

I was taking a rough estimate. I also played some ARURF, so that may change the number a bit.

Aeszarck3 votes

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I was taking a rough estimate. I also played some ARURF, so that may change the number a bit.

You made a rough estimate and then treated it like it was complete fact. You treated it as if you did 30 games all on Summoner’s Rift. Some were ARURF games, which would have given drastically lower amounts of IP, and the fact that you grossly overestimated the amount of games to level up makes the BE system seem way worse than it is. You need the EXACT amount of games if you want to be able to compare the systems fairly. Secondly, it was 150 IP per first win of the day, not 250. This is another mistake you made that unfairly portrayed the BE system. Thirdly, you got the lowest amount of BE possible from your capsule, and the fact that you’re using a personal anecdote as fact is again unfair to the new system. The average BE per capsule is 975, if I remember correctly. You will get more higher value capsules in the future that will balance out this low-value capsule.

Rynojos1 votes

Right now I'm about to get the exact amount of games it took.

Rynojos1 votes

I just redid all of the math and found out it took me 14 matches with 3 of them being daily wins. Look at the edit above.

Anastaecia6 votes

It doesn't take 30 games to level. It's about 10-12 norms, without first wins. If you do the math correctly, you actually get a bit more BE than you got IP before. AND you only have 1 thing to spend it on now.

MysterQ1 votes

You have expensive Masteries also, so two things. And to many players, they did not buy anymore runes. So they were always only spending it on one thing, so I don't like that argument.

Anastaecia4 votes

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You have expensive Masteries also, so two things. And to many players, they did not buy anymore runes. So they were always only spending it on one thing, so I don't like that argument.

OK...they can buy rune pages (I think that's what you meant by Masteries.

As far as the other...yes, lots of people didn't buy rune pages, but everyone bought runes.

Furthermore, with the new system, some of the 810 guaranteed BE/level is in the form of shards. SO if you get a shard of a champ you want, it costs only half the BE to get it. SO again, in the end, it's even cheaper than the old system.

MysterQ1 votes

No, I mean champion masteries ( although pages are still a thing). Level6, level7 spam emote.

Yes, I even I bought runes. But I stopped and started focusing entirely on champions, because unlike others I didn't feel like I needed x-rune to be competitive.

I am not saying this new system is worse (I don't like it), I am just saying 'one thing to spend on' is a bad argument to many players.

Rynojos1 votes

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It doesn't take 30 games to level. It's about 10-12 norms, without first wins. If you do the math correctly, you actually get a bit more BE than you got IP before. AND you only have 1 thing to spend it on now.

10-12 games is only to level 30. The 30 games I said was rough estimate. And some of the games I played were ARURF.

Rynojos1 votes

I just calculated the actual amount of games, and I redid the math. Look at the edit above.

Hyoga Kitsune1 votes

{quoted}

It doesn't take 30 games to level. It's about 10-12 norms, without first wins. If you do the math correctly, you actually get a bit more BE than you got IP before. AND you only have 1 thing to spend it on now.

no you have 4 to 3 things to spend it on in said order Champs/champ-shards,Mastery levels,Rune pages,name changes So maybe take a look at what all BE costs players and the lack of gains in terms of what you could gain in the old system while here your choices are much more weighted do you get a new champ or do you save up for that next mastery to show your skill of your main or do you get another rune page and for go the other two or are you wanting to change your summoner name without having to drop physical cash into the game....before you gained Blue essence all on it's own and had a limited pool to spend it on and the gains for the BE were fair to what you were getting just some flashy cosmetic stuff or maybe a new champ from a shard mean while win or lose you were getting IP slowly or quickly and you were guaranteed a new champ one way or another after a short amount of time either through shards or just out right buying them or you could combine 3 shards into a permanent champ that you didn't own....Now you are forced to gain little BE from your champ shards gain nothing from wins or loses out side of small amounts of XP the lowest I have gotten was 90xp from a loss well under what they stated you would be gaining when they announced this new system riot stated that you would be gaining about 200 or so XP from wins and losses more for wins about 200 for losses....I used to play about 8 matches a day minimum my IP gain ranged from between 700 to 1k per day depending on how well my matches went and if I went past that 8 matches I was gaining a new champion every 6 days or less by rerolling champ shards if I ran into a win streak and earned 4k in 4 days that's one new champ from a list of champs I don't own and most would cost me over 4k IP to buy...Now since the new system has been put in place my desire to play has decreased because I'm not feeling rewarded for the time put into that game I play maybe 1-2 matches a day enough to get a win of the day if that sometimes I don't play at all I got to about level 46 before I just outright stopped playing for a few days came back because urf showed up and it would be fun out of the 17 level capsules I have opened since level 30 seeings I just hit 47 today only two of them have yielded 1 champ shard in the 6k cost range the other 15 have been 810 or 900 BE values total one I cashed in which was camille and the other was Taliyah who I disenchanted to buy gragas at the time because I was looking for a new jungle and had some BE from the refund but not enough to get gragas..wasted all of my refund on mystery champions and got a le Blanc from one of them I can firmly say that My Le Blanc cost me 3950BE instead of her normal cost because riot can't seem to get shit right the first time. so let me do the math here the amount of IP/BE I have gained in the new system which released almost two months ago ranges from 12,150BE to 13,500BE let me do the math for how much I would have earned for how I "played" in that same time range 34,300IP at 700 IP a day 49kIP at 1kIP a day so I could be sitting pretty on a fat stack of IP that I EARNED through wins but instead I'm getting shafted by RNGESUS AND HIS RIOT COHORTS So pls explain how my over all gain is "BETTER" then it could have been because some how I seem to be missing that chunk of GAINS that riot says should be there.[sg-shisa]

Ezyl1 votes

It takes me ~20 matches of ~30min to get a level up without first win. Old system -> ~2k IP new system -> ~800 BE

That's why we're supposed to unlock champ from shard and not the shop because of the %off they have. Now just need to wait for the casino shard to hit the one you want.

Rynojos1 votes

I just redid the math, and found out it took me 14 matches. Look at the edit above.

NiamhNyx3 votes

Lets put it in to this perspective, For me, going from level 30 to 40 took me about 80-85 games. I got a total of 14.7k BE from the capsules I got If it were IP, and I were to win every one of the games I would have only had 14.3k IP There is not much of a difference. Dont just judge it off of a single level. Also if it took you 30 games for this one level, you must have lost a lot of matches which would inturn lower the IP you would have gotten, while a loss does not effect the BE you would get.

MysterQ1 votes

You are right. And OP needs clear logs. I have (sadly sadly) gotten more BE in the new system than the old. I still like the old system more, but it is hard to take any complaints seriously if they do not have solid logs.

That said. Riot SHOULD still add a small BE to every game or something. I calculated out SEVEN MORE YEARS of play for me to unlock every champion. If that is not an unreasonable paywall than I do not know what is. Of course having more champs won't make me win more per say, but it is a ridiculous grind that is only increasing and will only make it more and more difficult for new players to want to join.

Anastaecia1 votes

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Lets put it in to this perspective, For me, going from level 30 to 40 took me about 80-85 games. I got a total of 14.7k BE from the capsules I got If it were IP, and I were to win every one of the games I would have only had 14.3k IP There is not much of a difference. Dont just judge it off of a single level. Also if it took you 30 games for this one level, you must have lost a lot of matches which would inturn lower the IP you would have gotten, while a loss does not effect the BE you would get.

The last part is wrong. BE IS affected by W or L because the XP is. A 30m W gets you about 200 xp, while a loss gets you 170ish.

NiamhNyx2 votes

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The last part is wrong. BE IS affected by W or L because the XP is. A 30m W gets you about 200 xp, while a loss gets you 170ish.

No its not, your leveling is affected by a loss, whats in the capsule is not. That would be determined by RNG.

Anastaecia1 votes

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No its not, your leveling is affected by a loss, whats in the capsule is not. That would be determined by RNG.

The number of games it takes to get said capsule will change the avg BE you get from the capsule, so indirectly it is.

Śhunpo2 votes

Except BE is purely RNG based! [slayer-jinx-wink]

NiamhNyx1 votes

{quoted}

Except BE is purely RNG based! [slayer-jinx-wink]

Did you read what I was saying before you tried to "correct me"? I was telling someone else that what you will sell for BE in the capsules is rng based.

Śhunpo1 votes

I wasn't replying to you lel.

10Tickler1 votes

OE's been devalued so hard, and BE's p. useless still since I have every champion. I'd love to have more options to spend my 46k BE

10Tickler1 votes

Can't get anything other than a few more rune pages....but since the new system is out, it's easier to just custom each game.

ayuub zed1 votes

the new blue essense system is fcking bad man I swear to god I cant buy champs even when I go 20 0 in game

Rynojos1 votes

bump

Iittie1 votes

I agree [sg-ahri-2]

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