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The New Player Experience @GhostCrawler

0xxMasterYixx0··10 votes·3,260 views
Cmon

This account is level 23, decent win rate, and I've picked fill. It's now 20 minutes into the queue as I'm writing this.

There are barely any new players compared to when I started. I get matched with the same people over and over, and those same people are INCREDIBLY toxic, calling new people "boosted shits" and "useless fucks go kill yourselves". This is in level 15-25 games. I made a new account to see how far I could get as a OTP, and this has reminded me of how painful the new player experience is when starting out and why so many of my friends have never made it to level 30, which is where the ACTUAL game barely even starts.

You are at a disadvantage before the game even starts if your opponents are high leveled than you even 1 more level, that means more mastery points and runes.

Anybody who is matched against someone level 18 or up when they are 17 or lower almost always loses lane because of keystones.

There is a majority of smurfs and banned players with new accounts just being absolutely abusive to anyone and everyone they are matched with. I know this from other friends who are brand new who dont have the matchmaking adjustments I do because of my match history on my account.

This is horrendous, and this is why this game can't succeed without you completely redoing one of the most important parts of the game. Starting out. This is currently like deciding to play american football at age 14, being thrown onto 1 of 2 teams with players aged 10-18, and saying "good luck have fun". It just doesnt work.

Edit: Took me 25 minutes total to get in a lobby and start a game. The population of "new" players is smaller than plat. That says something.

21 Comments

RiotGhostcrawler11 votes

A few things:

  1. We'll look into queue times for sub 30 accounts. We have changed the matchmaking system a lot lately to solve long queue times at various MMRs and it's possible a recent change adversely affected low level queues.

  2. We are also talking about whether both blind and draft are needed for sub 30 accounts.

  3. All that being said, the issue for your queue times specifically is probably because your MMR is really high for a low-level account (so gratz?) and the matchmaker is doing its job by trying to find very high MMR but sub 30 accounts to play against. It's also unsurprising then that you're running into a lot of smurfs, since that's pretty much the pool of highly skilled, low level accounts.

LadyRenly5 votes

{quoted}

A few things:

  1. We'll look into queue times for sub 30 accounts. We have changed the matchmaking system a lot lately to solve long queue times at various MMRs and it's possible a recent change adversely affected low level queues.

  2. We are also talking about whether both blind and draft are needed for sub 30 accounts.

  3. All that being said, the issue for your queue times specifically is probably because your MMR is really high for a low-level account (so gratz?) and the matchmaker is doing its job by trying to find very high MMR but sub 30 accounts to play against. It's also unsurprising then that you're running into a lot of smurfs, since that's pretty much the pool of highly skilled, low level accounts.

i am bronze5, and even on my level 15 i had queue times of 10+ minutes. blind cuts it down but i refuse to play blind, its everything that is wrong with this game and brings out the worst in people. if you want a carry role, you need a fast internet to call/instalock(people dont respect calls anyway)

Axe2Handle2 votes

Sub 30 accounts you have to play blind. Thats what everyone else does.

LostFr0st1 votes

Blind pick is roughly as tasty as licking stamps. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

0xxMasterYixx02 votes

I know I know, my username makes me look like THAT guy, it's all a joke no worry. I'm a master yi otp only in name, not in heart.

But thank you so much for responding!

I agree with your points, the only thing is that I've seen this queue time happen to my friends I've introduced to League. They'd message me saying "Is it normal to wait this long [10 mins in one case] for a game?". I just thought I'd bring this to your attention, since I haven't seen many other players brings this specific issue up.

I really want to see this game become a generational activivity too, but that's gotta start back at being friendly and nice to new players.

Thank you for taking the time to respond![slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Zarkkast3 votes

When this happens just leave the queue e go back on it, you'll get a game in one or two minutes.

Sometimes the queue bugs and can't find a game, has nothing to do with MMR, level or anything.

As for the smurfs, that's a whole different problem and way harder to fix.

0xxMasterYixx02 votes

No that doesnt happen. Trust me, I've been leveling this account for a few days and the shortest queue times are 5-6 minutes on FILL.

Treeofwar3 votes

{quoted}

No that doesnt happen. Trust me, I've been leveling this account for a few days and the shortest queue times are 5-6 minutes on FILL.

oh yeah thats why most people play blind pick not draft when they are leveling

0xxMasterYixx01 votes

It's still a 5 minute + queue for instalockers and even more ragers and toxic people. There's no way to win with this stuff.

Treeofwar1 votes

i agree like since they now have the new system where you either get placed with smurfs since you either are a smurf or are just really good or you get placed with all the new players but since that separates the players it takes forever to get into game

0xxMasterYixx01 votes

it doesn't even seperate them well. It's 50-50, leaving half the players smurfs and toxic as fuck, and the other half confused and terrified of playing another match.

Trolosaurus1 votes

I remember when I was new I played with new peeps every game. Is the new playerbase really that stagnant?

0xxMasterYixx01 votes

It is. On fresh accounts or "older" new accounts its the same story. Only way to get a fast queue time is to go with Co-op vs AI and play with the bots that inhabit those wastelands.

Buff Sonas Boobs1 votes

Takes me around 12-20 mins to find a draft nomal game with silver-gold elo during the peak and then I get filled with people who arent even lvl 30

RiotGhostcrawler1 votes

i am bronze5, and even on my level 15 i had queue times of 10+ minutes. blind cuts it down but i refuse to play blind, its everything that is wrong with this game and brings out the worst in people. if you want a carry role, you need a fast internet to call/instalock(people dont respect calls anyway)

and

I agree with your points, the only thing is that I've seen this queue time happen to my friends I've introduced to League. They'd message me saying "Is it normal to wait this long [10 mins in one case] for a game?".

Yeah, we'll look into it. I have made several low level accounts to remind myself of the experience, and I've never had a queue that long so something may have broken.

Rivuo1 votes

{quoted}

and

Yeah, we'll look into it. I have made several low level accounts to remind myself of the experience, and I've never had a queue that long so something may have broken.

Can we talk about how im plat 2 but fight lvl 25s in normal draft.

Ranked mmr =/= solo mmr but thats a joke

0xxMasterYixx02 votes

Is there any more thoughts towards to whole gradual unlock system of runes and masteries? It feels more like each level un-handicaps you a little more, rather than making you feel a little stronger.

Thanks again for being a part of this conversation, it's really encouraging :)

Provengreil1 votes

I disagree on this feeling simply because actual first timers don't have a "full runes level 30" feeling. It's like coming off a freeway into city traffic, versus driving out of your house. It's the same speed, but it feels slower off the freeway.

0xxMasterYixx03 votes

The issue comes in that you can play against players with access to more and better runes and mastery's than yourself, giving them the advantage. The most tangible effect is sub 18, where you will play against people with keystones while you dont have any, which can put you at quite a significant disadvantage, and thats something new players can and DO feel.

LadyRenly1 votes

{quoted}

and

Yeah, we'll look into it. I have made several low level accounts to remind myself of the experience, and I've never had a queue that long so something may have broken.

ty for the acknowlegement, glad to know it's something that riot is aware of ^_^

Epic rekit1 votes

ive seen queues like this on my silver 5 account because I played draft pick normal at 5:30, its obviously because most people are getting ready to have dinner around that time

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