Ekko is not OP

dvxqgaming·May 29, 2015·4 votes·1,451 views

He's as squishy as my butt, and can be shut down early. People already made posts saying he needs a nerf. So stop complaining. We've already seen some bad Ekko's so yeah.

40 Comments

Rico NastyMay 29, 20154 votes

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He's as squishy as my butt, and can be shut down early.

Leblanc Akali Zed Katarina Zyra

Your point is?

dvxqgamingMay 29, 20153 votes

hes not op

BigDumbSmartGuyMay 29, 20153 votes

And you're wrong.

Sucks to suck.

DragonfaceMay 29, 20153 votes

"He's not OP"

Played a match where Ekko was being stomped by me early game, I had him on lockdown, unable to CS or wander for the first 10 minutes of the game, he goes and ganks ONE TIME, gets a Sheen, comes back into lane and completely and utterly annihilates me, then continues to wander and gank, feeding himself more, while also, with his incredible mobility, keeping me from wandering and pushing the lane.

He's definitely balanced /sarcasm, along with the fact that he could 2 shot me mid game and he wasn't even fed yet.

P.S. you've played 2 games with Ekko in them and you're level 28, you know nothing of balance.

ApolloclipticMay 29, 20151 votes

Your P.S turned your point from wobbly to just sour grapes. Kata and most other assassins have that exact same issue. if you let him wonder around while he was behind that's your fault, or allies for not backing off when you ping'd MIA. All assassins do this when behind???

As for you dying in two hits, Ekko does not have that kind of damage, even with ultimate and Q, so you must have been REALLY squishy and let him get REALLY far ahead. I've seen many times when people are ahead in lane they don't build any kind of defence, so they get "outscaled" because they can't handle their opponent once they have some damage. Ekko has issues, but your points do no address them AT ALL, you just described ALL assassins, got salty and even started being demeaning to the OP

DragonfaceMay 29, 20152 votes

Katarina can't instaheal back to almost full health after nearly being killed, she also has to choose between escaping and diving in using her E, she can't do both.

Second, all assassins don't have the ability to stick to you like glue even through blowing a flash and all your CC on them. And 80% slow to your enemy for 3 seconds that also gives you an 80% increase in move speed DEFINITELY doesn't need nerfing. /sarcasm

Oh, AND an AoE stun with high burst to it.

Please, go rewatch his spotlight and tell me why he can burst when Phreak clearly stated he's mobile assassin that LACKS THE ABILITY TO QUICKLY BURST DOWN HIS TARGETS

If Ekko has issues, explain them so that I may tell you why you're wrong, and yes, I'm definitely salty because after 6 years of LoL, Riot still hasn't found how to make a champion balanced. I've been playing since about 1 month after beta ended and I'm sick of the first week of a new champion coming out, having 95% of them be OP and breaking the game for me.

ApolloclipticMay 29, 20151 votes

She can do both with E if she secures the kill

Ekko heals a "portion" of health lost in the last 8 seconds. He can only heal damage from a single skirmish, not from poke, and it will only be some (60% I think) so it will never be "almost full health"

I never said it doesn't need nerfing btw, re-read please "Ekko has issues, but your points do no address them AT ALL"

you go on to mention a bunch i things that I never brought up, I was talking about the salt in a specific post, you are talking about a bunch of new topics assuming I am arguing with you about them? confused much?

and then you finish off saying that I'm already wrong about his issues lol that goes against the flow of your whole misplaced argument. You're saying he needs nerfing, but if I give you a reason he needs nerfing I am already wrong? I only skimmed your argument and can point out where you're wrong, but you haven't pointed out anything I said wrong, you just made a bunch of assumptions and started arguing with the voices in your head

To be clear, you made up an argument I didn't say, and are arguing with your delusions, I don't even disagree, that's what makes your comment so misguided

DragonfaceMay 29, 20151 votes

And that's exactly why I said your point of coming on the forums seems to be just to be a dick.

If you don't disagree with me, why bother posting and being a dick?

ApolloclipticMay 29, 20151 votes

I'm not the one being a dick, your oirginal reply was not addressing Ekko's balance issues, but just generically stated that he roamed and snowballed. But you say to the OP

"P.S. you've played 2 games with Ekko in them and you're level 28, you know nothing of balance."

That was uncalled for and uncool, and I commented specifically on that. I even said, that was the reason I replied, you're being a dick and I called you out on it. If you had left out that one line, this could have been a friendly discussion on "how should they nerf ekko to bring him in line with other champs" instead it became name calling and aggro.

You think it's ok to talk down to someone based on their number of games or level, but think I'm a dick for disagreeing with your attitude???

DragonfaceMay 29, 20151 votes

No, you are being a dick. I never said I wasn't, but the point being, my point in being a dick is proving a point. You're point in being a dick is to be a dick.

Also, explain how I was talking down, I stated a fact.

He isn't level 30, and he's played 2 games with Ekko, therefore, based on that fact, he doesn't know enough about the champion to decide whether he is OP or not, and he doesn't even have the ability to test him in ranked. Explain where in that I was talking down to him? I'm not allowed to state facts?

ApolloclipticMay 29, 20151 votes

lol ok, before I get out of this loop of nonsense I'll run this by you

first) you didn't say "doesn't have enough experience with Ekko or games to know how balance works" you said "you know nothing Jon Snow" talking down is a process of speaking to someone as if they were in some way lower than you, in this case, he is a lower rank, therefore your opinion is right, his is wrong. Even if you are right, you ARE in fact talking down to him, because you are talking as though you are in a HIGHER position. Google, talking down for a better explanation.

second) you say "I never said I wasn't" being a dick that is, but go on to defend against my point. So you either accept it or you don't, make up your mind and stick to it, unless you accept defeat on one battle field, don't start arguing another point, because you end up losing both arguments

third) my point of "pointing out that your response weakened your argument" was so that you reply in kind, be thoughtful and considerate of others feelings or in this case rank. He has a valid point, even if wrong it's worth considering regardless of rank, Be less salty and people will pay more attention to what you have to say. If this, is what you think being a dick is all about, then I really have nothing else to add.

Note: If you had spoken like that to begin with (ignoring you dick obsession) I never would have said anything, except maybe to agree, as would many others like in the other Ekko threads. And the fact that you've rephrased to this extent, shows that my work here is done, if you keep it up, you'll have much more pleasant forum experiences :)

DragonfaceMay 29, 20151 votes

Stopped at this point because clearly you're the one not reading.

"first) you didn't say "doesn't have enough experience with Ekko or games to know how balance works" you said "you know nothing Jon Snow""

I said, clearly, "you know nothing of balance"

GG, no RE, and here's a video to explain the rest of your post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=12&v=5GgflscOmW8

ApolloclipticMay 29, 20151 votes

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Stopped at this point because clearly you're the one not reading.

"first) you didn't say "doesn't have enough experience with Ekko or games to know how balance works" you said "you know nothing Jon Snow""

I said, clearly, "you know nothing of balance"

GG, no RE, and here's a video to explain the rest of your post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=12&v=5GgflscOmW8

LOL perfect response for me to throw back at you, since you actually said you didn't read. I added "jon snow" as my own personal joke because I was getting bored explaining sh*t to you but since that went WAYYYAYAYYAYAYYY! over your head, here "You know nothing..." + "jon snow" GoT referrence "You know nothing..." + "of balance" your literal quote my point was "you know nothing" as opposed to "you don't know enough" whatever came next did not matter since you'd already made a clearly demeaning remark by saying nothing, whatever comes next makes no difference to the point i was saying, so I just used a popular Game of Thrones quote, I know you "Didn't read lol" the books, but thought you might have at least seen the show :)

btw, thanks for the video, actually did LOL gonna save that link for the next time I encounter someone that misses the point as badly as you did lol

DragonfaceMay 29, 20151 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=12&v=5GgflscOmW8

ApolloclipticMay 29, 20151 votes

Still watched it again :)

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DragonfaceMay 29, 20151 votes

HOLD UP ONE SEC, DID YOU JUST SAY EKKO DOESN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF DAMAGE?????? NEED I REMIND YOU OF HIS DAMAGE

"At 3 stacks the target takes 「 15 + (12 × Ekko's level) 」(+ 70% AP) bonus magic damage" That's just his PASSIVE, that is the highest on-hit damage in the game, not including champions who deal % health

BONUS MAGIC DAMAGE: 50 / 80 / 110 / 140 / 170 (+ 20% AP) on Phase Dive, which allows you to gap close TWICE, and on top of it, allows you to instantly apply Sheen and gain one stack on your passive.

Add in that his passive is also effected by his damaging abilities, he then throws his Q "OUTGOING MAGIC DAMAGE: 60 / 75 / 90 / 105 / 120 (+ 20% AP) SLOW: 32 / 39 / 46 / 53 / 60%" which will apply a stack, so instantly he's at 2 stacks on you

One more hit and you're about to get hit for a massive amount of your HP in LESS than a second, at which point you probably turn around and start fighting him, but guess what!?!?!

"MAGIC DAMAGE: 200 / 350 / 500 (+ 130% AP) HEAL: 100 / 150 / 200 (+ 20 / 25 / 30%「 (+ 3.33% per 100 AP) 」of damage taken)."

TIME FOR SOME CHRONOBREAK, ENJOY THAT EXTRA STACK ON YOU AND THAT EXTRA 200 DAMAGE PLUS 1.3 AP RATIO PLUS THE FACT I'M GONNA HEAL 100 HEALTH PLUS 20% OF ALL THE DAMAGE YOU DID WITH 3.33% EXTRA PER 100AP I HAVE! I WAS LOW NOW I'M NOT AND BEST PART IS NOW I'M GONNA GAP CLOSE ON YOU TWICE AGAIN AND WRECK YOU!

ApolloclipticMay 29, 20151 votes

can't be bothered to read the whole thing, because you contradicted yourself on first point

At 3 Stacks, 3, you said he killed you in 2 hits, gg wp

DragonfaceMay 29, 20151 votes

Yeah, two hits, that being his Phase Dive, which applied his sheen, which also applies a stack, (that's 2 stacks) and then his grenade, which procs his passive too. 3 stacks from 2 hits=instagib.

And explain my contradiction?

And lastly, notice how no one on the forums who says "He isn't OP" gets upvoted?

Oh sorry, THIS is lastly, clearly you don't know what you're talking about because no where in my post did I say he 2 shot me early. He has a ton of utility, damage, and mobility and very LITTLE risk involved. Get into a tough spot in a 1v1, just ult and you'll live.

ApolloclipticMay 29, 20151 votes

I never said early either, so please, re-read

you contradict by saying two shots with a three hit skill (and list his other abilities, your list existed two hits, but you don't see how that is not two, just count them)

also I never said he wasn't op, I said you were being, salty, still true. So busy hating you're not even reading your own response, not to mention mine

DragonfaceMay 29, 20151 votes

So what you're saying is you come on the forums to be a dick to everyone? I was making a point and you decided to to be a dick for the sole purpose of BEING a dick.

dvxqgamingMay 29, 20151 votes

Have you played any games with Ekko yet? I dont think so. I checked your match history. Lies.

DragonfaceMay 29, 20151 votes

Correct, I have not played Ekko, but I've played enough matches against him to know he's OP

dvxqgamingMay 29, 20151 votes

Who were you playing as? If you did check my match history you wouldve seen me destroy ekko as kog maw. At least 28 kills in that game. PROVING that he is not OP.

DragonfaceMay 29, 20151 votes

You were also playing in pre-30 games.

dvxqgamingMay 29, 20151 votes

You will probably play him. And next thing you know you're going to be saying that he's not OP.

DragonfaceMay 29, 20151 votes

Lol no thanks. I played him on my girlfriends account. He has a degree of difficulty to him, but his risk-to-reward ratio is way out of whack.

bonfire10May 29, 20151 votes

I mean none of those champions are overpowered either. Assassins don't have many options in the tank meta, if the enemy carries have good positioning and their team peels well, assassins don't contribute as much as conventional mages (speaking of where the hell did zyra come from? That was a consistent list of assassins then all of a sudden a shitty support/mid hybrid).

The strongest case in that list would be leblanc for her oppressive laning phase, but even the how comparable is that to ekko's?

dvxqgamingMay 29, 20151 votes

^ Leblanc is the only current know counter for Ekko.

DragonfaceMay 29, 20151 votes

And that's balanced?

Guys if you just play LB in every team builder match, then you can beat Ekko, so just play LB non-stop forever and there won't be any problems.

BigDumbSmartGuyMay 29, 20153 votes

"The Champion can be played badly, so he's not OP."

"People are already complaining about him, so he's not OP"

I wish I could have a thought process this simple, it must make things easier.

SEKAIMay 29, 20151 votes

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I wish I could have a thought process this simple, it must make things easier.

Good times when we were all still kids, when nothing involved much thought process and everything was simple, mostly.

SEKAIMay 29, 20153 votes

He's as squishy as my butt

Holy shiet, we don't want to know about how meaty your butt is.

Thanks.

/hue

lolipopevelynnMay 29, 20151 votes

he suffers from the same problem most all in assassins suffer from. CC.

also Swain and Malzahar shut down all in assassins pretty hard. you guys should play them more.

DragonfaceMay 29, 20151 votes

2 champ choices to be able to beat one champ.

TrídentMay 29, 20151 votes

kinda can't argue... Rito already said he was op, and I hard they are already nerfing him

DragonfaceMay 29, 20151 votes

Where did you see that? TELL ME YOUR SECRETS TRIDENT MAN

Shroom JunkieMay 29, 20151 votes

lol He can dash out or into trouble, his ultimate allows him to easily escape anything and allows him to towerdive better than Tryndamere, he literally has a passive that lets him deal a shit ton of damage after a certain health percentage is gone on somebody, and yeah a shit ton of CC and he's sticky af. Oh yeah and his poke is fucking nuts.