For people saying "carry your way out of bronze"...

GahRii··55 votes·10,152 views
http://imgur.com/EqNAjdw

This is what happens in 90% of my bronze games.** I AM DARIUS. NOT EKKO! ** Nidalee was last pick, didn't talk until they were locking in (this happens regardless of the new champ pick, or the old) & proceeded to say "I don't like Darius as top, so I'm going to feed guys, sorry".

He went into the game, bought only the items you can see, fed 2 lanes silently, said "lol", quit. So it was 4v5 with a Quinn & Zed given first/second/third/fourth blood's which is all that's needed to A: tilt the lanes in their favour due to people feeling negative and B: allow the other team the confidence to know there's infighting and trolling on our team.

Game over.

You can say "OMG YOU CAN TOTALLY TURN IT AROUND, I KNOW I WOULD!!" or "not all of your games can be like this, this is a bad example, I have xxx in my games!" etc. I don't care. This is ALL I see. It's either an afk, feeding, toxicity, etc etc.

I can deal with bad players, I can deal with people that get countered due to bad picks, whatever. I can't deal with these scenarios. It's pathetic, and it's so common it pains me to even bother playing any more.

I couldn't care less what my rank is, I just like playing the game & actually earning/losing something at the end based upon my skill level. Normals don't offer that because people generally take it even less seriously than bronze level ranked, & I don't gain or lose anything based upon playing so I'm just kind of like "meh, who cares?".

Obviously the care factor in rank also becomes meaningless over time due to the fact that I have zero influence on what happens in the game. I can't alter the outcome of a game where someone decides they're going to deliberately lose it from the start.

I've played multiple MMO/team games that require people to work together, & I've never in my life seen a game so FILLED with people that just want to destroy the fun that others have so that they can laugh, or whatever.

There should be a WoW-esque scenario where you have to do proving grounds (google it if you've no idea what I'm talking about) to prove you have a basic understanding of game mechanics, and have to do a certain amount of cs/damage/healing whatever before you're capable of entering the ranked scene.

If it isn't taken seriously, then what's the point? Where's the learning?

I literally can't remember the last game I've played where someone doesn't go 0/20/0 or never connect, or connect & flame the team, or multiple other scenarios.

I know I'm terrible, I don't need people going through my game history pointing out that I'm terrible. All I want is for people to know that it's impossible to improve at this level of the game when you're instantly behind before the match even starts because one team is guaranteed a feeder/toxic/afk/man-child whatever to sway it in one direction.

So any win you have is meaningless, because it's one of the above, and any loss you have is out of your control due to the fact that you've generally got one of the above.

It makes me blind. I hate this game.

188 Comments

Ralanr17 votes

Honestly man if you don't care about your rank, then don't play ranked. I just play normals and have a fine time.

GahRii13 votes

I'd like to get better at the game. I don't feel any progression in normals. It's just something I pass time with if I'm sick of ranked & melting inside with rage.

However; if I want to continue playing then yes, normals are my only choice left I believe. Thanks.

Asayake 5150glow9 votes

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I'd like to get better at the game. I don't feel any progression in normals. It's just something I pass time with if I'm sick of ranked & melting inside with rage.

However; if I want to continue playing then yes, normals are my only choice left I believe. Thanks.

... if you only play normals while trying to calm down, how would you ever progress? It's a miracle you don't feed from being angry and end up tilting even more.

Also, people are going to keep on thinking that you're Ekko (it's the reddest ;P), so just edit that ur playing Darius into the opening post.

Xyltin3 votes

The first step to get better - said by pros, too - is to admit your own mistakes.

Don't look at your team but look at your stats. 0/2/1 is not great regardless of the lane and the junglers influence. 61 CS after a 24/10 score? So I assume you got out of the first 10 minutes already. Not a too good value then.

You can carry yourself out there but you need to know how to keep your mentality up regardless of your teams performance and the focus onto the things that you can do better.

I would say that this game, at this point, can't be carried by a guy in bronze or silver. But a silver player that started this game as Darius top would have probably gone 4/1/2 with 100+ CS even in a 2v1. Would that win the game? Probably not. But it would give the team hope and motivation to go on and even when you can't win that one, the next one can be easier.

If you want some help, I am willing to help. I am from EUW (time zone problem maybe but I can stay up long and can spectate with one of my NA smurfs) and even when I am not that good mechanically I still get to plat5 each season in less than 100 games. My strength is analyzing stats and item builds/runes/masteries.

PN031 votes

Just so you know hes LYING. Hes not darius. Hes one of the other champs and since theres only two dead.... hes gotta be Ekko. You see that darius circle on the bottom right corner of that screencap? It only shows the four other champions on your team there. It doesnt show your own champ.

DiebusterFan9 votes

According to OP.GG, he played this match 10 hours ago as Darius.

Randomonium9 votes

The game you cited is literally the ONLY game in your match history where someone intentionally fed. The rest of the games were lost because YOU didn't play well (like you said.) I don't really know what sympathy you are looking for here. One out of 20 games you got an intentionally feeder. Poor you. What about all the other games you lost? Who's fault was it then?

You have a 15% win ratio in the past 20 games and the only consistent factor in all of those 20 games is you.

You're lying to yourself if you say its impossible to improve. I looked at your match history and there were plenty of games where there where 10 people all working hard for the win. The fact of the matter is that rather than actually working on your mechanics you would rather blame factors that are outside your control.

"Hey its not my fault I can't get more than a couple CS per minute or average a KDA over 2, its that one game out of 20 where someone feeds! That's why I can't get better at the game!"

Honestly, how many times have you gone into a custom game and practiced last hitting? How many times have you reviewed your games using replay software or used a FREE recording program to watch yourself play? How many times have you watched a high level streamer or pros and compared how you played to how they played? How many times have you asked someone who is a higher rank than you for help?

My guess is that the answer for all those questions is NEVER.

Your logic is as bad as those 600 pound people who say its impossible to lose weight because there is a fast food restaurant on every corner. ** If you're willing to stop making excuses and actually start improving your play I'd happily help you in any way I can. Until you are ready to be honest with yourself I can't help you though.**

Iskoot2 votes

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Br4ndon6 votes

"Alt+Print Screen" will screen shot your currently active window. It puts it on your clip board so you can paste or "ctrl+V" it to imgur or just save it through paint.

That'll keep the secret of what your doors look like to you and the few who get to see that magical gateway.

LeBlanc Jameś5 votes

There are 5 BRONZE players on the other team doing the same shit that your team is doing..... What's the problem?

GahRii5 votes

If you're incapable of seeing the problem with a game where you can decide to do these things, then that's fascinating.

Please; tell me more.

LeBlanc Jameś4 votes

I don't understand why you can't see that there are 5 equally BRONZE players on the other team. Just happens to be that your bronze team members and yourself are worse than the other 5 bronze players. I get criticized for saying this but it's true. You are the only constant.

GahRii4 votes

It isn't my fault that nidalee decided to feed due to my pick at top, & then quit.

If it makes you feel better to insult bronze players based upon faults that they never get a chance to correct due to games ending prematurely because of scenarios like this, where people are ruining games because they can, then ok. Go for it.

LeBlanc Jameś5 votes

I'm not trying to insult you. I didn't even use an insulting word, on purpose. You are not understanding my point. That Nidalee had a higher chance to be on the other team than your own. There are 10 Bronze players in the match. Any of them could be on either team at any time. You are the only constant in your games.

I guarantee you the team that beat you is and has experienced the same type of garbage you just did. However, you have the power to change it and have the power to capitalize on their bad play.

I am in no way shape or form trying to make you feel inadequate in inferior to myself. Especially over a game rank that means shit in real life.

GahRii3 votes

Nidalee fed multiple lanes before quitting. Giving the first blood, and 3 kills after. She gave them to Quinn & Zed.

I was using Darius. If I attempt to all-in Quinn I will get kited around the map until I'm dead. If I attempt to all-in Zed he will use his multiple escapes to disappear.

This is before either of them are fed. However, they were indeed both fed.

I don't care if I'm the constant in my games, it isn't my fault that this game turned out like that. The only way it wouldn't turn out like that is if the nidalee wasn't in it, and someone that wanted to actually WIN the game was.

Simple.

The fact that bronze level is down to who feeds/afk's/trolls first is pathetic. It should be about lower level mechanics, lacking in cs, inability to know when they're going to die/not die.

It shouldn't be "hey bro, I'm bored, wanna go feed a game for the lols?" which is what it is now.

LeBlanc Jameś2 votes

You STILL don't get it. You need to learn to think further than just whats right in front of you. I honestly wan't to try and help you but your rejection or willingness to admit any type of fault is impenetrable.

My very first season playing I was placed in Bronze 5. That's what my skill level and game knowledge was. Bronze 5.
Look in the mirror. Look for opportunity and capitalize on mistakes of others. you got a shit team for this one game, I get it. Take what you can from it and move on.

The "It isn't my fault" attitude will get you absolutely nowhere.

Other lanes feed.... play jungle.... My ADC is shit ... play support...

There is always something you can do.. Take it or leave it.

Lata.............

GahRii2 votes

I've done everything I'm capable of doing & I can't achieve improvement if there's people that are actively working against me improving, because they think it's funny.

fractalfantasies3 votes

I saw your downvote and upvoted you

The guy clearly hasn't understood what you said. If you're a positive player, it's more likely that the other team has a troll/AFK/griefer in their game than your team does.

LeBlanc Jameś3 votes

yes!! and thank you!

Lord Galvatron5 votes

Honestly, as a person who has had many friends in Elo Hell/Elo hell veterans I have to give you this advice.

  1. Before playing ranked, pick 2 lanes you are good (better at then the rest)

  2. Then pick 2/3 champions for those two lanes that are easy for you or are notorious low Elo solo stompers (Riven, Malphite, etc.) I personally wouldn't recommend Darius because you can't carry as him and if you are behind, you become as useful as a Caster minion.

  3. After you pick those champs play those champs in normals/drafts ALL THE TIME, getting them to mastery lv 4/5 might be a nice goal. Also go on lol wiki and know everything about that champ.

  4. Try to get a duo parter and make a Skype/curse/etc. call. 1 person you can trust and that you are in verbal contact with is worth it's weight in gold (no pun intended :))

  5. Watch pro/challenger players and see how they play your champs and what they do in certain situations.

I know it's a bit long, but that's how I did it and I'm pretty well off (I got to silver 1 after promos)

Edit: also try to have fun with it, you will get games with trolls, feeders, regardless what Elo you are in. Also having a good mouse/track pad also will give you an edge.

Maximum Morde5 votes

There are 4 chances for that on your team. There are 5 chances on the enemy team. Trolls are not the reason you cannot climb. Statistics makes it impossible for that to be the reason since they should actually favor you on average.

Austinodood4 votes

That screenshot isn't even that bad besides the Nida with the daggers?? You are 4/8 with Ekko??

Bruh, that happens in ALL elos. Yesterday my bot lane literally went 1/20 and I'm in lower diamond elo. There will always be matches that you can't carry. But remember literally everyone has experienced this frustration.

Carry your way out of bronze. Focus on why you had one third of your entire team's deaths??

GahRii11 votes

I'm Darius. I don't know why you think I'm Ekko.

Austinodood2 votes

oh my bad lmao you didn't do too bad then. Still had two deaths but that's not bad.

I still hold what i said before. If you focus on improving yourself every match and move on, you will eventually climb.

GahRii9 votes

I had two deaths due to being vs Quinn, and Zed was mid. Once nidalee quit Zed came top, and the lane was 2v1, with Udyr also coming there. I'm pretty sure I can't do anything further than that.

Everyone says that similar thing. It's irrelevant if 90% games are like this. All I improve on is keeping my rage held inside.

Xonra2 votes

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All I improve on is keeping my rage held inside.

Someone actually asked me the other day "so you played a bit less ranked this last season, but what do you think you learned overall?" and my response was, in summary, what you said about learning to keep it inside. 2015 seems like the year of the troll, and if nothing else, I think I learned to at least keep my frustration in check if nothing else lol

PN032 votes

Correct me if im wrong but you see that Darius circle on the bottom of that screenshot? It only shows the OTHER 4 players on the bottom there. Doesnt show your champ. Soooooooooooooooooooooo...... you can see where im going with this.....lol

DiebusterFan2 votes

His match history matches his claim.

Vistha Kai3 votes

OP, nice doors you have. Always wanted to have this style in my room.

As for carrying Bronze. Well... I'd say it's extremely easy, at least it was for me being high Gold to mid Platinum (Don't remember now which one I was at the time).

I mean, I did have 90% winrate after 20 games, although by then it was already Silver.

FooDang3 votes

Did jungle Ekko almost catch up in cs to your Darius top lane?

Xonra6 votes

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Did jungle Ekko almost catch up in cs to your Darius top lane?

Did you miss the part where his nid was coming top to troll feed his laner, then went afk, and he then proceeded to get 2v1'd the rest of the laning phase?

How well would you have faired against two champs that were intentionally fed by a troll, (one of whom directly counters Darius already in Quinn) as a Darius? My guess is you'd likely be behind in CS already. Given that mid was also free with afk nid, ekko probably farmed mid as well.

FooDang2 votes

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Did you miss the part where his nid was coming top to troll feed his laner, then went afk, and he then proceeded to get 2v1'd the rest of the laning phase?

How well would you have faired against two champs that were intentionally fed by a troll, (one of whom directly counters Darius already in Quinn) as a Darius? My guess is you'd likely be behind in CS already. Given that mid was also free with afk nid, ekko probably farmed mid as well.

I'd probably be behind in CS but I can farm under tower fine. If I had 61 cs at ten minutes and I would concider that a bad game. Even if it was 2v1 he only died twice. If he was getting zoned hard hw should have ditched top lane and went mid, kick Ekko back to the jungle and continued to farm. Mechanics and rotations get you carried out of bronze.

This game was probably unwinnable but just by looking at the cs the OP still has a lot to learn.

Xonra8 votes

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I'd probably be behind in CS but I can farm under tower fine. If I had 61 cs at ten minutes and I would concider that a bad game. Even if it was 2v1 he only died twice. If he was getting zoned hard hw should have ditched top lane and went mid, kick Ekko back to the jungle and continued to farm. Mechanics and rotations get you carried out of bronze.

This game was probably unwinnable but just by looking at the cs the OP still has a lot to learn.

He leaves top, they take top Then they would just follow him mid.

I mean I get where you are coming from, but that wouldn't actually solve anything, and he would likely still miss CS and XP in the time he backed to go back to mid (or the same just running there), giving them time to just rotate after him to mid. That wouldn't actually solve anything in a 2v1 with a fed Quinn and Zed especially (and Quinn is fast as heck so her rotating to another lane would take no time at all).

It feels more like people are just trying to blame the OP to sound like some "well you gotta blame you too", but we've all been there, friend. When you have someone feeding, then goes afk, and you are countered, your laner gets fed from a troll, AND you have someone perma roaming to your lane, (on top of bot and jungle doing really bad looking at those scores)...there isn't that much you are going to be doing. It is good to say "you just have to do x" but I think we both know that isn't possible 100% of the time.

Even farming under the turret in the game he was in could have easily got him tower dove by a fed Zed and Quinn with no real danger to them, then add in their jungler and his Ekko who was obviously doing poorly as well. Just gotta look at it realistically and not "Best case scenario in a bad situation" instead of trying to jump to "well you could just do better".

Supreme Senpai691 votes

Have my babies! Just got out of a game where I was LeBlanc v Azir and anytime it was 1v1, I killed him. But as soon as they realized our jungler never connected, suddenly it was a 2v1 lane. You can CS under tower, sure, but what happens when the minoons are being killed by your tower? And you get poked by two people hungrily obsessed with killing you? I'm glad someone gets this.

"Just carry harder and focus on you and nobody else"

Hate when people say that.

Sightless663 votes

"Just carry harder and focus on you and nobody else"

It's a good statement, but it's not meant to imply that any game is winnable or that you can carry any game. What it is trying to say is that focusing on the mistakes your teammates are making and thinking a lot about them will do nothing for you. It won't make them play better, it will piss you off, and it's just going to impair your ability to improve. You get better and climb by not focusing hard on your teammate's mistakes and instead focusing on what you can do better or what mistakes you are making.

Werwar3 votes

Idk but Ive played 12 ranked games this season and I got kinda unlucky. 3 or 4 afkers and alot of trolls. Ironically, today I had to play support, and my favorite support picks were chosen so I said "Ill go poppy support" Our caitlyn and her premade friend start to flame me relentlessy because according to them Poppy cant be a support pick, I should uninstall, and whatnot. Ingame caitlyn decides not to farm and instead feed, Anyway I somehow got a kill on their support and after awhile caitlyn as if a miracle happened changed her/his attitude and started to farm, and play decently and we ended up winning the game.

weeaboomer3 votes

And yet the point still stands. Carry yourself out of bronze. Or do you believe anyone who's ever climbed out of there just got "lucky".

disregardable2 votes

"not all of your games can be like this, this is a bad example, I have xxx in my games!" I don't care. This is ALL I see.

This isn't 100% wrong. When you do poorly in your games, it's going to infringe on your teammates doing well too. Your bot may be winning 2/0 while you fed 0/2, and when your laner teleports bot, now it's "Bot lane fed my laner!" instead of "Sorry I screwed up guys." Do better and your teams will do better too. Not 100% of the time, obviously, but in the end, all you need is to win a few more games than 50% to climb.

Learn to CS better, stop dying as much, always try to get your turrets as soon as possible. You win this game by compounding an advantage over the enemy team: if you can get a significant gold advantage for yourself and your team in over half your games, then you'll climb.

GahRii5 votes

Explain how this is done when someone decides before the game to deliberately feed?

& before you say this isn't a common scenario, I can bring multiple friends I have in the same division as I am with the same problems.

In bronze it's acceptable to quit if you've given first blood.

disregardable4 votes

It's not a common scenario. I don't need you to bring in friends, I've been in Bronze. I just got out of Bronze a couple months ago, and the stupid placements put me back in B3. I'm not even concerned, either, because I know how to win the game now.

Focus on your own game. Don't die, cs better, get objectives. If you come out of laning with a 3,000 gold advantage and walk into someone else's lane, they won't even realize you can kill them instantly. Then THEY can rage quit.

GahRii5 votes

The advice you're offering is perfectly sensible until the game turns into a 4v5. That isn't winnable. I don't care if you're saying it is, and that you're superhuman & can win the entire game, I can't.

I don't care if I'm bronze for the rest of my life. I care that other people don't have an interest in playing this game, and the excuse they can use is that they're bronze, so they don't have to.

I want a 5v5 game that's mildly similar in skill level & isn't destroyed by someone because they can.

Protokai2 votes

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Nidalee was last pick, didn't talk until they were locking in (this happens regardless of the new champ pick, or the old) & proceeded to say "I don't like Darius as top, so I'm going to feed guys, sorry".

was this the darius or the nidalee? seeing the 8 deaths on you is a mutiple of both of them i dont think having you on the team is any better than having ethier of them in bronze it doesnt really matter i get placed in it every season and get to silver elo hell is just a myth that people in our ranks make up to feel better about themselves the same thing happens on the enemy team you just dont see it because your focused on whats wrong with your team not whats wrong with me. hrrmmmm random video link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ4vPCY11eM

GahRii6 votes

Last time I'm going to say it; I. Was. Not. Ekko. I. Was. Darius.

Nidalee said they'd feed, obviously, since you can tell by their troll build.

I have two deaths from 3 people being in my lane at all times. I don't see how I could have done any better. I also have the most CS, while being against 3 people.

If you'd like to completely blame me & be blind to the problems this game has then that's fine, you're entitled to.

OrganicT1 votes

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Last time I'm going to say it; I. Was. Not. Ekko. I. Was. Darius.

Nidalee said they'd feed, obviously, since you can tell by their troll build.

I have two deaths from 3 people being in my lane at all times. I don't see how I could have done any better. I also have the most CS, while being against 3 people.

If you'd like to completely blame me & be blind to the problems this game has then that's fine, you're entitled to.

If you were really Darius, your portrait would not be appearing on botton right. So again you are not Darius, but Ekko

GahRii2 votes

Check my match history. Lol.

ADepressedLeona2 votes

I know it sucks man, it really does. I was like you at one point where I thought I was never going to get past Silver. But last season, after 5 years of this game I finally got to gold (Almost plat, highest I got was G2)

And all I did was be positive, mute people who refused to be, and focused on my game play and I finally hit gold. I also did this playing mainly support Leona.

GahRii3 votes

That's good advice, & I've really tried to do that, but when I go on massive losing streaks that I feel I can't influence in any way, it's begins to build up & make me feel it's all pointless.

I'll continue playing, but most likely normals because I don't see anything changing fast. If I ever get extremely good, I'll say thanks for your advice.

If I don't, I'll probably have self-combusted from the pointlessness of it all, and thus can't thank. :D

fractalfantasies2 votes

Most people are easy to tilt

You went down 0/2 in lane so people who are on edge are likely to flip in your games.

I've played with Diamond smurfs (in normals) and those guys literally get 5 kills in 5 mins, stealing enemy buffs and absolutely smacking the shit out of the enemy. Those guys are less likely to have kids going AFK in their games because they are so good it creates this sense of positivity

You're simply not good enough, accept it.

WarlockLaw2 votes

If you are in fact getting afk/feeders every game and you are never one of them then statistically they should be on the enemy team more frequently than yours eventually allowing you to won more and climb out of that shitty elo.

Despite that if you want to avoid those kind of games I'd suggest experimenting with the time of the day you play ranked. I've noticed that when you play ranked changes the experience to a large degree. Night seemed general bad, middle of day seems highly competitive and afternoon seems to be less competitive but not rage filled, at least in my experience

TheStevenWu2 votes

Here:

If you play at silver level, you have to play a lot of games to climb. At this level, you are winning about 55-67% of your games. This takes into account your trolls and feeders (remember that both teams have it, but the chances of one being your team, 4/10 is less than the enemy's chances, 5/10).

If you play at a gold+ level, bronze games should be way too easy for you. You should be getting fed and one-man carrying most of your games regardless if there is a feeder/troll on your team (with the exception for cases where the enemy is constantly running into the enemy team no purpose, but these scenarios are uncommon and should not deter you from climbing). I am plat this in season 5 and gold in seasons before it. From my perspective (when I was gold), bronze players were painfully bad. Like - it's not even... oh they're a little bit worse than me. It was more like... holy crap these people either have $100 computers or they're just downright mentally challenged. Bronze players are bad beyond imagination; and therefore if truly deserve to be gold+, you should be able to carry with blindfolds on (exaggeration).

If you are winning ~50% or less of your games, you are bronze - PERIOD.

How to determine your level: Play AI games at the hardest difficulty

Required: Pick a champion you have never played or is not very proficient with - do not pick your "main". If you're losing your lane, you are bronze. In a situation where your teammates are losing lane, if you cannot carry them against AI - you are bronze. If your games against AI's are closely contested, you are bronze. If your farm at 20 minutes is below 100, you are bronze. If your farm at 20 minutes is below 130, you are low to mid silver - basically bronze. If you are clearly winning, but require to put in effort, you are low to mid silver - which is basically bronze. If you are clearly winning, but only because you need to cheese to get ahead, you are low to mid silver - which is basically bronze. If you are clearly winning with little effort, you are silver. If you are getting fed like crazy (consistently), you MIGHT be high silver/low gold.

In insure getting out of bronze, your score in an AI game should consistently, with your worse champion, be something like... 15+/0-2/5+ with 150+ farm @ 20 minutes. The farm number is considered low, but I'm taking into account you running around and KSing your teammates.

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