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Fiora: Grand Challenge.

Wolfess··10 votes·1,203 views

Fiora is..... obnoxious to say the least. Well, she's titled the Grand Duelist and her ult is named Grand Challenge, yet it's so one-sided and way strong dealing the max health % true damage that scales with AD that we all know and "love" (bear with me... I'm trying to not let the displeasure show too much)

So since she's such a duelist and is challenging someone, I think it should be fair if the enemy received similar opportunities when facing fiora. Her riposte already makes very little sense as it blocks just about everything and anything that any champion can throw at you....I'm not even sure how you parry a karthus ult really..

but onto the main point. Being the obsessive sounding person that she is, she should duel their opponent on more equal terms. Using her ult should also mark herself with the grand challenge and allow the enemy to deal % max health true damage to fiora if she's so confident that she is the best duelist and should also apply the aoe heal to the enemy upon victory (with varying scaling mechanics based on what the enemy is building) This should allow the enemy to counterplay an overconfident fiora who is actually unskilled while letting the actually skilled fioras retain their position by knowing how to fight properly during this situation and also knowing how to prevent the enemy from using it to their advantage.

earlier I was thinking of including the passive of having fiora randomly be marked with her own vitals but that would remove a bit of her uniqueness and would be, in my own opinion, a bit too easily exploited by ranged champs and possibly enforce ranged top picks that would throw things into a weird loop.... so I'm against that.

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Anraton4 votes

This is bullsh**

If Fiora now ends up with about 30% when winning, the would be dead then because .. hitting 2 vitals while she hits 4 should be possible - and she has to face all 4 vitals in order to hit yours.

This change would just kill her.

Wolfess4 votes

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This is bullsh**

If Fiora now ends up with about 30% when winning, the would be dead then because .. hitting 2 vitals while she hits 4 should be possible - and she has to face all 4 vitals in order to hit yours.

This change would just kill her.

remember that her Q procs vitals as well, and it's a dash, so if she dashes past you she can hit vitals behind you... plus she has slows on her W and E, and her R gives her bonus move speed as well.... She's more slippery than a greased up stick of butter.

Anraton4 votes

if she is left from you .. she presents her right side if she is right from you .. she presents her left side if she is abouve from you .. she presents her bottom side if she is bottom from you .. she presents her top side

actually ... you'd just need to build as and/or have an aa reset and she'd kill herself

Wolfess1 votes

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if she is left from you .. she presents her right side if she is right from you .. she presents her left side if she is abouve from you .. she presents her bottom side if she is bottom from you .. she presents her top side

actually ... you'd just need to build as and/or have an aa reset and she'd kill herself

well it's why i mentioned damage based on what the enemy is building, since not all champs build (mostly) pure AD bruiser items like she does so I would imagine having scaling based on a possible highest-current-stat that would do stat calculations based on either ad, ap, or max/bonus health to turn it into the fuel for the damage. Actually this kind of brings up a different point I hadn't considered yet: ganks. with good CC, one champ can have a stronger chance of victory in the duel since it would help prevent a teammate's vitals from being hit and placing the enemy in a more vulnerable position. this would get a fiora top lane matchup some more attention since fiora's opposing jungler could help destroy her if she isn't warding properly or if she gets camped (though I'm definitely not in for a "hey look fiora top, gota setup my tent and camp it for her ult" scenario either.) at the same time though, she still naturally has the "advantage" in duels due to her kit being built well for it, namely her Q, but a good player, or good team rather, should be able to counterplay, and perhaps a good fiora should be able to bait and have good windows of opportunity to display that she is, indeed, a grand duelist. insert lcs baiting and outplay mechanics here for both teams.

AlwaysByMySide4 votes

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Fiora is..... obnoxious to say the least. Well, she's titled the Grand Duelist and her ult is named Grand Challenge, yet it's so one-sided and way strong dealing the max health % true damage that scales with AD that we all know and "love" (bear with me... I'm trying to not let the displeasure show too much)

So since she's such a duelist and is challenging someone, I think it should be fair if the enemy received similar opportunities when facing fiora. Her riposte already makes very little sense as it blocks just about everything and anything that any champion can throw at you....I'm not even sure how you parry a karthus ult really..

but onto the main point. Being the obsessive sounding person that she is, she should duel their opponent on more equal terms. Using her ult should also mark herself with the grand challenge and allow the enemy to deal % max health true damage to fiora if she's so confident that she is the best duelist and should also apply the aoe heal to the enemy upon victory (with varying scaling mechanics based on what the enemy is building) This should allow the enemy to counterplay an overconfident fiora who is actually unskilled while letting the actually skilled fioras retain their position by knowing how to fight properly during this situation and also knowing how to prevent the enemy from using it to their advantage.

earlier I was thinking of including the passive of having fiora randomly be marked with her own vitals but that would remove a bit of her uniqueness and would be, in my own opinion, a bit too easily exploited by ranged champs and possibly enforce ranged top picks that would throw things into a weird loop.... so I'm against that.

So you want Fiora's ult to actually hurt her?

Should we also make Tryndamere's ult make the enemy team invulnerable as well?

Or make Garen's ult a true damage nuke that hits him?

Or make Jax's ult give the enemy bonus resistances?

Is there any other ult in the game that actually punishes you for using it? I can't think of one, and probably for good fucking reason, because that's insane. Actually no, this is worse than that. You're actually giving your opponent a FREE ULTIMATE, on top of their own ultimate.

This idea is extremely stupid. Thankfully Riot isn't dumb enough to make such a ridiculous change.

Ralanr2 votes

Now this would be interesting.

Though here is something I would suggest. Her duel has rules that she wants you to follow. She wants you to fight her in her strong suit.

Don't do that.

Take her rules and abuse them. See a wall? Run to it to hid a vital from her (the duration is surprisingly short). Got an escape? Use it. It's not cowardice, it's tactical retreating.

If Fiora doesn't feel fair, then don't play fair against her.

I know she's frustrating. But you can't always play at her advantage.

OhZenny2 votes

THE MINI GAME IS THE GREATEST CHALLENGE OF LEAGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CrimsonReaps1 votes

It would be funny (but Op) If her ult was a Duel, she got the old poppy ult when she uses it but she can only damage her target. They should i no way use this i just think it'd be a fun way to break her even more ;)

Swae71 votes

? There will be no point playing fiora if ur ult gave someone else an ult ^_^

Guys please remember udder and volibear. They are so strong rn with highest win rates.

Pls guys stop campaigning against fierier.

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

OK, that happens when hitting Vi, Vayne, Vel'Koz, Ekko, Master Yi(you get his passive if she does, right), Kha'Zix( you get to do more damage to him when hes alone too), Varus, Naut(first auto against him should root him), Kindred, Zed(you get his passive against him too). When all that happens then Fiora's opponent also gets a free fucking ultimate. Think about it. Why the fuck should Fiora's opponents get a free ultimate, on top of their ult? Huh, that doesn't sound very fair, now does it?

I mean, Have you read her ults description? It says she identifies their vitals, she sees where theyre weak, so why the hell should they see where shes weak if she herself doesnt leave herself open? It doesnt make any sense, the change you want, it would be a free win vs Fiora, honestly, shes not even that bad rn.

Shadow Gilgamesh1 votes

I just wish the damage on her ult was a little more weighted. First vital deals less damage, final vital should deal more, so Fiora can't just pop ult and slap someone once for 15-20% of max health with nothing you can do since every side is a vital.

AlwaysByMySide1 votes

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I just wish the damage on her ult was a little more weighted. First vital deals less damage, final vital should deal more, so Fiora can't just pop ult and slap someone once for 15-20% of max health with nothing you can do since every side is a vital.

Fiora's current build doesn't let her do 15-20% of your health in true damage. She doesn't build enough AD.

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