I'm f*king tired of seeing shyvana jungle on my team. PLaying any late game jungler is like "Team i hope you can survive without ganks for the first 20 minutes cuz i'm useless until then." Then by the time they finally scale, its too late. The enemy team is ahead. You could argue that my team should have learned to play safe, but its alot harder to play when you have no ganks.
Super Sandmanne10 votesI think it's more like guys who want to main shyvana have to take her to the jungle because it's their only option. It's not like farming junglers are meta right now though.
Johnny Scythe2 votesCan farming junglers ever be healthy? It's either theyre useful early or useless early both of which no one llikes. Riot should just rework every lategame jungler so that their early game and lategame power isn't so polarizing.
Killer of Night92 votesI think that shyvana is literally bad even into a farming jungler meta. Udyr and master yi bring the same clear speed while being more strong that her. Shyvana scaling ability (her passive) is not that good since 20-30 armor and mr is nothing
Lovelle II7 votesI've personally never understood the mentality of needing ganks as a laner. The jungler isn't entitled to gank your lane, but they should at least cover for you while you're at base.
You need to improve your laning ability, or learn to play champions that are more self-sufficient. Always go into a game assuming you'll receive no ganks and work from there.
It is much easier for a jungler to perform well if the laners have map awareness and understand the importance of playing safe and/or making favorable trades.
There are too many factors involved to just completely rule out control/duelist junglers like Shyana over gankers. It all depends on what kind of comp you're running.
Nyarlathοtep1 votesYou need to improve your laning ability, or learn to play champions that are more self-sufficient.
Wat? So im prohibited from climbing with a champ i want. Damn nice idea there.
Lovelle II2 votesWat? So im prohibited from climbing with a champ i want. Damn nice idea there.
If said champ needs to be babysat by complete strangers in order to make it to mid game, they probably aren't the best pick for climbing with.
Indeed they arent. However that doesnt mean i shouldnt try climb with them. I mean FFS im not trying to climb diamond +. I shouldnt pick meta champs in order to climb mid tier.
The Bad Touch2 votes[{quoted}](name=Johnny Sythe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QAAZRrUZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-11-03T05:38:30.053+0000)
I'm f*king tired of seeing shyvana jungle on my team. PLaying any late game jungler is like "Team i hope you can survive without ganks for the first 20 minutes cuz i'm useless until then." Then by the time they finally scale, its too late. The enemy team is ahead. You could argue that my team should have learned to play safe, but its alot harder to play when you have no ganks.
Thanks I forgot 
existed.
Think I'm going to pick her up again.
SexualNuts2 votesPlenty of "late game" junglers are viable.
There's no issue with them really - it's not like the feral flare meta where you wouldn't see them for 20 minutes. Ganking is fairly optimal now so Junglers can still be late game scalers and gank where they want. The shyv you had not ganking was another issue in itself - with the player.
Johnny Scythe1 votesAll 3 of them can be useful before 20 minutes.
SexualNuts1 votesExactly my point - late game junglers can still be useful before 20 minutes.
Whereas in the Feral Flare meta, jungers were better off not ganking.
Johnny Scythe1 votesI should have been more specific. I was talking about Shyvana.
SexualNuts1 votesAh I see, but there's no reason Shyvana can't pull off ganks though - she's very similiar in Yi in that respect because of her move speed. While she lacks good, hard cc, she can still gank a pushed lane or a lane with hard cc as her damage is very good.
Saezio1 votesWell, same goes for every lane. If you paired the shyv with say galio mid and lucian adc it can work wonders. If you picked kassa kaisa and shyv in the same game... Well take that L xD
Zardo1 votesI can flip the question around- why play champs who need junglers to gank your lane? The meta favors champs who can get lane priority to help roam and secure early scuttle crabs.
It really doesn't matter who you play to be honest unless you're super high elo. Just focus on yourself and play the gosh darned game.
Johnny Scythe1 votesI'm in high elo just not super high elo.