Spelltheif's is ruined.

LittleYessh·May 9, 2017·3 votes·790 views

I like to play a decent amount of morgana support. Today was my first time since the reworked support items. before you were able to maintain your proc's so that you were making enough gold to stay relevant but now with W only gaining 1 proc even when placed on 2 enemy's makes no sense. I understand its 1 spell cast, but it should still proc each time it deals damage. After a couple games it seems that this is intended? while nami and sona can still gain multiple proc's from 1 spell cast? seems kind of unfair and put morgana way behind on the gold income and delays her build significantly.

Riot needs to fix this cause right now it seems morgana is just unviable cause coin and relic are useless and this spellthiefs problem is just way to painful to try and play through.

19 Comments

TheHappyReaperzMay 9, 20175 votes

So Spellthief's isn't ruined, its just that specific interaction between Morg and the new Spellthiefs.

FooDangMay 9, 20174 votes

Quit being a punk and auto attack.

Sozan5May 9, 20172 votes

I am quite sure they did it on purpose - and precisely because of Morgana. She was able to proc all 3 charges nearly instantly everytime they were up - with a single spell that's hard to dodge, to say the least (and without putting herself into any kind of danger).

Most other supports have to get into AA range or just use multiple spells to proc it reliably - Morgana was just put back in line with the rest of the roster.

Dominick DestineMay 9, 20171 votes

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I am quite sure they did it on purpose - and precisely because of Morgana.

I used to play Morgana a lot, this was one of the reasons.... so basically "Fuck you Morgana players"?

Thanks Riot....Morgana wasn't even a top tier mid or support .....

MysterQMay 9, 20171 votes

3 second stun and crazy shield, better off gone.

Dominick DestineMay 9, 20171 votes

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3 second stun

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

WyvernEggMay 9, 20172 votes

git gud

k wìxMay 9, 20171 votes

If you think the item got nerfed in anyway, I think you are crazy. it's a huge buff all around.

If your having problems with gold generation, its because your stealing too much of the ADCs farm. That's really all there is to it.

LittleYesshMay 9, 20171 votes

makes no sense, when u finish a game with 5 farm

k wìxMay 9, 20171 votes

Dude what? I main Support Zilean, I blow the crap out of minions and take at least 10+ of my ADCs CS in the laning phase while I'm trying to harass and I usually finish with like 50+ CS, **I get my upgraded spell theifs at about 15 minutes in. **

IoLanaMay 9, 20172 votes

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Dude what? I main Support Zilean, I blow the crap out of minions and take at least 10+ of my ADCs CS in the laning phase while I'm trying to harass and I usually finish with like 50+ CS, **I get my upgraded spell theifs at about 15 minutes in. **

You are not supposed to do that. You are only migiting the adv gold incone.

k wìxMay 9, 20171 votes

As a support main playing at Gold/Plat/Diamond levels, I am well aware of what I should be and should not be doing.

IoLanaMay 9, 20171 votes

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As a support main playing at Gold/Plat/Diamond levels, I am well aware of what I should be and should not be doing.

Ok but I didn't ask you what level your at. Just because your in high elo doesn't make it less ok for you to cs the creeps, you know it will kill them why continue to practice this behavior, and you support mains why the adc is pinging you.

k wìxMay 9, 20171 votes

If i can harass an enemy ADC out of lane by taking a few CS, then it is absolutely worth it. If my ADC is out of lane, I will take CS to keep myself as relevant as possible. If my ADC proves to be worthless, I will take over the lane and carry the game for him by stealing his CS. I do not care if it is unpopular, I know that I can carry games, I've done it before and I will do it again.

My point was that I fully understand the value of taking CS. I'm sorry you don't agree, but your definitely not going to change my behavior with your statements.

ErockandrollMay 9, 20171 votes

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You are not supposed to do that. You are only migiting the adv gold incone.

Kinda the paradox of gold itemization is that it cost gold to make gold.

Frost fang total cost is 850, and spell thief's is 350, a difference of 500 gold. Frost fang offers 15 gp on tribute proc compared to 8 on spell thiefs. So that's a difference of 7 gp. where you get a stack every 10 seconds. So if you proc them optimally. you would be getting about 42 gp a minute extra from upgrading to tier 2, So it would take more than 10 minutes to make up for the sunk cost.

This is a bit of an unfair assessment, since I did not consider the stats the upgrade gives you. Also since you need tier 2 to get the quest. Thought their isn't much benefit in tier 3, except for the active and increased stats. And even if this guy was in the right to get his tier 3 to prevent the passive from being disabled. I would probably have went for the eye in stead. That would have been the fastest option, unless this guy was skipping sight stone until his tier 3 was finished. (And his teammates will hate him for it)

k wìxMay 9, 20171 votes

When i say 'upgraded spell thieves' .. I mean I completed the quest! I actually always upgrade to the eye. Appologies for the confusion! It generally takes me about 15 minutes to complete the quest, whether i steal 0 CS or 15. The penalty just isn't that bad as long as your not TRYING to farm.

RedesignatedMay 9, 20171 votes

Reduced mana regen on upgrades, less reliable procs off the active, last-hitting under turret in situations where your ADC is missing but you're still in lane now gives a stacking penalty. Only real "buff" is the quest reward. Item's not ruined like OP suggests but it was definitely hit with some nerfs.

Who is TaliyahMay 9, 20171 votes

Morgana can still get 2 procs with spellthief's when the enemies just stand inside the W long enough. You can proc spellthief's every 1,5 seconds now. Before, it had no timer. You just need to figure out how to use it effeciently.

I actually like spellthief's better now. I still play Taliyah support sometimes and use spellthief's on her. The good thing about the change is that now, after the quest is finished, I get movementspeed whenever I proc spellthief's, which is great.