MIght aswell put assasins even further into the shithole instead of adc's, am I right?

GodlyBane·Feb 24, 2018·3 votes·336 views

because items that give AoE and 300 burst MAGIC damage on an adc is ok (they dont have to be unseen to proc it either) cough cough

or wwaiiitt, the ability to infinity kite and always survive with 1 hp is fine too? cough

Oh oh, what about the triple shot? the one that gives +7% ms and makes you AoE damage every singe auto..

but nope, when assins like kha can proc duskblade a few times EVEN THOUGH ITS STILL NOT ENOUGH TO 1v1 AND KILL A TANK. Is not ok i guess.

but a trist that puts no effort into gameplay with cheap items is fine, right?

laughs in critical strike

P.S LL Stylish is building and now on bc of how shit assasin items are :D just a thing you should stop to think about.

25 Comments

HópeFeb 24, 20182 votes

Assassins are shit because they lack safety ,wave clear, and are melee, with their targets being too shielded or high healthed.

Ap champs are running around with 2.6k health and zhonyas while adcs are running around with overheal and supports babysitting while supports have been super buffed.

Riot pretty much said fuck assassins with the upcoming duskblade nerf too.

vgamedudeFeb 24, 20183 votes

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Assassins are shit because they lack safety ,wave clear, and are melee, with their targets being too shielded or high healthed.

Ap champs are running around with 2.6k health and zhonyas while adcs are running around with overheal and supports babysitting while supports have been super buffed.

Riot pretty much said fuck assassins with the upcoming duskblade nerf too.

Ap champs aren't the problem. You can at least play around them unlike adc right click with sup slave.

HópeFeb 25, 20182 votes

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Ap champs aren't the problem. You can at least play around them unlike adc right click with sup slave.

yeah right, AP champs have dominated the mid lane in competitive for years now, Theres a reason you never see Zed or Talon mid. Because they are horrible picks, they lack wave clear they lack safety they lack being ranged to dump the combo while AP champs are generally Ranged in which they could blow their combo from a distance ( hence the safety )

But you right adcs are the problem

xd ok

vgamedudeFeb 25, 20181 votes

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yeah right, AP champs have dominated the mid lane in competitive for years now, Theres a reason you never see Zed or Talon mid. Because they are horrible picks, they lack wave clear they lack safety they lack being ranged to dump the combo while AP champs are generally Ranged in which they could blow their combo from a distance ( hence the safety )

But you right adcs are the problem

xd ok

ADCs literally are the problem. One class archetype that remains a necessary part of every game forever.

But yeah it's the mages dude xdddd

HópeFeb 25, 20182 votes

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ADCs literally are the problem. One class archetype that remains a necessary part of every game forever.

But yeah it's the mages dude xdddd

And when was the last time Mages werent mandatory in the mid lane

vgamedudeFeb 25, 20181 votes

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And when was the last time Mages werent mandatory in the mid lane

You can take a yasuo, zed, corki etc. Into mid but try taking a mage into bot or literally anything besides adc and see how that goes.

HópeFeb 25, 20182 votes

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You can take a yasuo, zed, corki etc. Into mid but try taking a mage into bot or literally anything besides adc and see how that goes.

First off, stop downvoting every opinion that isnt yours because im not downvoting yours. Downvoting is for things that dont relate to the subject, not for disagreeing.

Second, You saying ''You can take yasuo zed corki '' Is false because in anything past diamond taking Zed or Talon is very very risky, Thats why in competitive you do NOT see these champs because they are NOT good

No waveclear No safety Too much risk Too easily negated ( See lulu,janna,tahm kench )

Corki does AP damage, theres a reason i did not list Fizz or Kassadin.

And for your last point of ''try taking a mage into bot or anything besides adc and see how that goes''

I'd hope the ONLY place adcs are good at, is a place where they arent easily replaceable. And no, adcs arent good in other lanes.

vgamedudeFeb 25, 20181 votes

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First off, stop downvoting every opinion that isnt yours because im not downvoting yours. Downvoting is for things that dont relate to the subject, not for disagreeing.

Second, You saying ''You can take yasuo zed corki '' Is false because in anything past diamond taking Zed or Talon is very very risky, Thats why in competitive you do NOT see these champs because they are NOT good

No waveclear No safety Too much risk Too easily negated ( See lulu,janna,tahm kench )

Corki does AP damage, theres a reason i did not list Fizz or Kassadin.

And for your last point of ''try taking a mage into bot or anything besides adc and see how that goes''

I'd hope the ONLY place adcs are good at, is a place where they arent easily replaceable. And no, adcs arent good in other lanes.

Bot is literally the only lane with one class there every game that's a flat out requirement. Literally no other lane is like that.

Assassins aren't in the best spot but you need to quit exaggerating. This is zed in plat + and he is the NUMBER 1 pick and ban.

https://imgur.com/a/MFjNe

HópeFeb 25, 20181 votes

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Bot is literally the only lane with one class there every game that's a flat out requirement. Literally no other lane is like that.

Assassins aren't in the best spot but you need to quit exaggerating. This is zed in plat + and he is the NUMBER 1 pick and ban.

https://imgur.com/a/MFjNe

You showing me a high ban rate of Zed in plat+ is irrelevent because if you're trying to argue with me that assassins are good in higher elo, Then you are wrong because Theres no ban rate for Talon while Talon arguably does more damage.

People just dont like fighting Zed. He could be the worst champion in the game and people would still bann him. Same with Yasuo. Thats just how it is.

vgamedudeFeb 25, 20181 votes

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You showing me a high ban rate of Zed in plat+ is irrelevent because if you're trying to argue with me that assassins are good in higher elo, Then you are wrong because Theres no ban rate for Talon while Talon arguably does more damage.

People just dont like fighting Zed. He could be the worst champion in the game and people would still bann him. Same with Yasuo. Thats just how it is.

I literally just posted his winrate that is positive and him being the number 1 midlane pick all while being a champion that is quite hard to play.

You're just impossible.

HópeFeb 25, 20181 votes

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I literally just posted his winrate that is positive and him being the number 1 midlane pick all while being a champion that is quite hard to play.

You're just impossible.

Yes hes a popular pick because hes a cool champion.... Assassins are NOT GOOD. THEY ARE A LIABILITY TO THE TEAM. Show me a competitive pick please.

vgamedudeFeb 25, 20181 votes

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Yes hes a popular pick because hes a cool champion.... Assassins are NOT GOOD. THEY ARE A LIABILITY TO THE TEAM. Show me a competitive pick please.

Dude make up your mind are we talking competitive or diamond/super high elo? You literally JUST said diamond earlier so I post high elo stats now you move the goalposts again.

HópeFeb 25, 20181 votes

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Dude make up your mind are we talking competitive or diamond/super high elo? You literally JUST said diamond earlier so I post high elo stats now you move the goalposts again.

Downvote downvote downvote every opinion that isnt yours.

You dont see Any assassin hitting >50.5% win rate. You dont. Its for a reason.

vgamedudeFeb 25, 20181 votes

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Downvote downvote downvote every opinion that isnt yours.

You dont see Any assassin hitting >50.5% win rate. You dont. Its for a reason.

You literally just keep moving the goalposts. You said zed was literally useless and a dumb pick in high elo when he has above a 50 percent winrate and the number 1 mid pick rate.

I downvote for patently false statements and ones based in no numbers or facts.

HópeFeb 25, 20181 votes

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You literally just keep moving the goalposts. You said zed was literally useless and a dumb pick in high elo when he has above a 50 percent winrate and the number 1 mid pick rate.

I downvote for patently false statements and ones based in no numbers or facts.

He is a useless AND dumb pick in high elo. Zed is FILLED with Zed MAINS that love playing him, and hes an extremely cool champ yet his winrate is in the steady 50%. He cant surpass 51% for the life of him because hes a liability pick.

You're silver 1, it means nothing. Zed can freely abuse anyone there. But when you climb teams get smarter and pick tanks and Safe picks like Lulu + Janna where you cant do a single thing.

vgamedudeFeb 25, 20181 votes

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He is a useless AND dumb pick in high elo. Zed is FILLED with Zed MAINS that love playing him, and hes an extremely cool champ yet his winrate is in the steady 50%. He cant surpass 51% for the life of him because hes a liability pick.

You're silver 1, it means nothing. Zed can freely abuse anyone there. But when you climb teams get smarter and pick tanks and Safe picks like Lulu + Janna where you cant do a single thing.

lmao now the personal attacks.

Yeah I'm sure being literally the top picked mid laner in high elo is just all mains. You are like the riven players who say that all the riven picks in high elo are just dedicated mains.

HópeFeb 26, 20181 votes

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lmao now the personal attacks.

Yeah I'm sure being literally the top picked mid laner in high elo is just all mains. You are like the riven players who say that all the riven picks in high elo are just dedicated mains.

You couldnt press the downvote button harder on every post.

zaire90Feb 25, 20182 votes

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And when was the last time Mages werent mandatory in the mid lane

I thought the reason you take mages mid though is so tanks are forced to get some mr you dont want tanks running around with 500 armor cause someone wanted to play yas mid and not just take syndra.

Vapor Wave VibesFeb 24, 20181 votes

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Assassins are shit because they lack safety ,wave clear, and are melee, with their targets being too shielded or high healthed.

Ap champs are running around with 2.6k health and zhonyas while adcs are running around with overheal and supports babysitting while supports have been super buffed.

Riot pretty much said fuck assassins with the upcoming duskblade nerf too.

They're nerfing duskblade to buff assassins, but our itemization for ad assassins will still be bad. Lanning might be better but for snowballing they'd have to change more items or ad scalings

Darkin HybridFeb 24, 20181 votes

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Assassins are shit because they lack safety ,wave clear, and are melee, with their targets being too shielded or high healthed.

Ap champs are running around with 2.6k health and zhonyas while adcs are running around with overheal and supports babysitting while supports have been super buffed.

Riot pretty much said fuck assassins with the upcoming duskblade nerf too.

"Supports have been super buffed" Are you serious?

Support items have been nerfed twise now, if you count the change that will or will not go through that is currently on PBE. They removed the passive Bandit on all support items that gave gold if you basic attacked a enemy. Supports have been getting nothing but nerfs as of lately, it's Janna that is causing this misconception that Supports are still really good. Tanks and Sion Warwick Yorick Shyvana as of right now have the highest winrate.

HópeFeb 25, 20181 votes

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"Supports have been super buffed" Are you serious?

Support items have been nerfed twise now, if you count the change that will or will not go through that is currently on PBE. They removed the passive Bandit on all support items that gave gold if you basic attacked a enemy. Supports have been getting nothing but nerfs as of lately, it's that is causing this misconception that Supports are still really good. Tanks and as of right now have the highest winrate.

NERFED TWICE? SUPPORT ITEMS HAVE BEEN BUFFED FOR 3 YEARS STRAIGHT. They even made sightstone literally free.

And they are buffing support items AGAIN.

Darkin HybridFeb 25, 20181 votes

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NERFED TWICE? SUPPORT ITEMS HAVE BEEN BUFFED FOR 3 YEARS STRAIGHT. They even made sightstone literally free.

And they are buffing support items AGAIN.

On PBE right now...

Ancient Coin line

Effect changed from "Killing a minion or monster disables Coin drops and gold generation for 12 seconds." to "Minion or non-epic monster kills temporarily disable Favor and gold generation. Disable time increases based on recent minion kills and resets at the shop."

Relic Shield line

Effect changed from "Killing a minion or monster without a charge or nearby ally stops charge generation, consumption, and gold generation for 12 seconds." to "Minion or monster kills without consuming a charge temporarily disable Spoils of War and gold generation. Disable time increases based on recent minion kills and resets at the shop."

Spellthief's Edge line

Effect changed from "Killing minions and non-epic monsters stops Tribute generation, consumption, and gold generation for 12 seconds per unit slain." to "Minion and non-epic monster kills temporarily disable Tribute and gold generation. Disable time increases based on recent minion kills and resets at the shop."

Looks like nerfs to me.

And in the previous PBE Patch there was also this nerf too...

Ancient Coin [Part of Tentative 8.6 Support Item Changes - Context]

[New Effect] "Killing a minion or monster disables Coin drops and gold generation for 12 seconds."
[Removed] No longer grants Bandit.

Frostfang [Part of Tentative 8.6 Support Item Changes - Context]

Gold per tribute increased from 15 to 20
[Changed effect] Changed from"Killing minions and non-epic monsters slows Tribute generation." to  "Killing minions and non-epic monsters stops Tribute generation, consumption, and gold generation for 12 seconds per unit slain.

Nomad's Medallion [Part of Tentative 8.6 Support Item Changes - Context]

Gold per coin increased from 40 to 45
Expected coin drop rate lowered from [9 per 10 minutes] to [8.5 per 10 minutes]
[New Effect] "Killing a minion or monster disables Coin drops and gold generation for 12 seconds."
[Removed] No longer grants Bandit.

Relic Shield [Part of Tentative 8.6 Support Item Changes - Context]

[New Effect] "Killing a minion or monster without a charge or nearby ally stops charge generation, consumption, and gold generation for 12 seconds."

I haven't seen any proper buffs so I don't know what you are on about.

paisyFeb 25, 20181 votes

I guess you forgot the part where Riot is buffing duskblade assassins?

Darkin HybridFeb 24, 20181 votes

You do realise that ADC's crit for 300 or more with item 3087 because it crits for higher damage against minions specifically.

Funny that you look upon a Zed one trick (aka LL Stylish) who is ignorant and says that every champion class is not balanced. He said that "tanks shouldn't deal damage at all", or that when he doesn't one shot someone with one item, he goes "What is this game?!? Man.".

As for the reason why he buys crit is because Zed in general has a really high basic attack damage, with his passive and the R passive.

The thing about the assassin class is that it is either broken, like when the new duskblade rework came through live servers or when dark harvest was a thing or it is as you assassin mains say a "shithole".

Quick note: It's not even a ADC meta right now, if anything it's tank since they are beating both bruisers and anything else right now.

VoraciousXFeb 26, 20181 votes

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Downvote downvote downvote every opinion that isnt yours.

You dont see Any assassin hitting >50.5% win rate. You dont. Its for a reason.

Fizz has a 53.29% win rate Plat+, Ekko has a 51.87% win rate Plat+, Zed has a 50.87% win rate Plat+, Katarina has a 50.82% win rate Plat+. There are literally 7 assassins across tier 1,2, and 3 of mid laners.

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He is a useless AND dumb pick in high elo. Zed is FILLED with Zed MAINS that love playing him, and hes an extremely cool champ yet his winrate is in the steady 50%. He cant surpass 51% for the life of him because hes a liability pick.

You're silver 1, it means nothing. Zed can freely abuse anyone there. But when you climb teams get smarter and pick tanks and Safe picks like Lulu + Janna where you cant do a single thing.

50.87% is EXTREMELY close to 51%.