Problems with Mages

Chaos689·May 29, 2016·3 votes·536 views

We all know Mid-season mages are generally a little bit broken ( ) But I've noticed a disturbing trend in not just those mages, but ALL mages. Traditionally, it is the nrm for the two carries of a team (AD/AP) to be fairly glass cannon, doing huge damage but also requiring protection. Last ame, I was SMASHED by a frontline veigar who had over 1100 AP and an HP bar of around 4k. This was on aram, where he had very little tme to farm. This is also repeated with Lux, Brand, Malzahar... the new mage ites need to be tuned. There are less than 10 final tier items that give both AD and HP. Comparatively, a huge number of AP items give tankiness. This needs to be tuned; it ruins the balace f carries. It makes tanks obsolete (which i'm all for) but not in the right way Instead of weakneing tanks back to their regular role (of TANKing), it replaces them with tanks who can do EVEN MORE burst damage. This is ridiculous!

13 Comments

Tentacle AdvisorMay 30, 20162 votes

The only issues I've noticed with this mage update are:

Malzahar was reworked [broken] to a point where I can't even learn how to play against him, due to his current permaban status.
Fizz has become a lot [and I mean A LOT] harder to figure out how to beat. Prior to this MU, I was actually starting to find even the tiniest ways to deal with him. (Not "kill him", just deal with him.) But now, with all the free CDR he can get from almost every item he use to build anyway, he's much more of a hassle. Fortunately, for my sanity's sake, no one really plays him too often.
Zyra has become obnoxious, as far as a support goes. I mean, sure I felt Zyra deserved some, if not huge, buffs to her original kit/identity, but her new passive is just too much to deal with as an ADC. Unless your support is Morgana (or maybe Cassiopeia), you're pretty much screwed as far as farming goes.
Vladimir seems to strong, at the moment. (This may just be salt from me, I can't be sure.) You could [and should] ask around for more opinions on this one.

Besides these, nothing really bothers me about this mage update. Veigar can still be killed, via hard focus. Swain can be killed via Ignite/Morrelonomicon/MortalReminder. Brand HAS to land every spell to get the most damage out of his kit (talking about his passive, here.) If anything, the only other issue would probably be how almost every mage now can viably build Rod of Ages. However, I personally see that as a fair buff to them, as yes we want APC's to be squishy glass-cannons, but they should at least have some type of "last ditch effort" item/tool. In this case, it just happens to be a bit more health.

[In case it matters, I am Silver III, so all of this is gathered from my personal experiences and from whatever gameplay videos I've seen, in regards to the Mage Update.]

Chaos689May 30, 20161 votes

Veigar cannot actually be killed, as he will use his calssic hated kit to ruin your day - BUT OH WAIT! YOU JSUT DROPPED BELOW 50%! WHOOPS YOU DIED! At least with old veigar his ult didnt scale SO MUCH. Now you have to be a bit lower hp to get the massive scale, but it isn' t ahrd for someone who GETS FREE AP FOR PLAYING THE GAME to get you low. Swain is weak tbh. Brand is still pretty BS, but maybe you're right asbotu that one.

The RoA thing, I think, is a little much. Items like Seraphs Embrace are good for "last ditch" saves. THe only problem with Seraphs is that only a few spammers cna build it. If an item like that was added (not xhonyas) it would be ifne. But giving mages the permanent HP bar AND resists that the core items give them now is jsut BS. As an assassin main, I shoudl be able to d omy job. Instead, I fear my targets. I see a mage, I shoudl think OOH HES ALONE! Insteadm, I thin k "OH JESUS HE HAS 4k HP AND 150 ARMOR OH GOD WHAT NOOO HE ONESHOT ME"

Papa SlothyJun 1, 20161 votes

can you post his build

Chaos689Jun 8, 20161 votes

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can you post his build

Not 100% sure on this one; I'd have to trawl my history to find him, but I know he had a Rylai s, RoA, and one of the new Hextech items (I think the ice one)

Papa SlothyJun 9, 20161 votes

4k health you say lol, I totally agree his is way too strong but i feel like that was a bit of an exaggeration

Chaos689Jun 13, 20161 votes

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4k health you say lol, I totally agree his is way too strong but i feel like that was a bit of an exaggeration

Nah man, the RoAs and rylais combined for a lot... also yeah it was a really long game.

Papa SlothyJun 13, 20161 votes

4k health tho...

just seems weird

alfavhunterJun 9, 20161 votes

Must have been a long Aram to let him build tank and still build up that much AP (he doesn't need to farm anymore just land spells on enemy champion, and f you all stack he can build AP very fast)

ZT XperimentorJun 13, 20161 votes

Pure tanks have been obsolete for well over a year; ever since bruisers got some mobility, and assassins gained utility.

Chaos689Jun 14, 20161 votes

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Pure tanks have been obsolete for well over a year; ever since bruisers got some mobility, and assassins gained utility.

Pure tank yes, but bruisers are able to build one health+dmge item and then pure tank and absolutely stomp teams 1v5. THey're just unkillable and do too much damage. There needs to be a tuning - yesterday i was having a fun game, playing rengar top and i was 10/5/1. I walked up to the 1/5/1 garen and combod him, thinking he would die. Nah. I had almost twice his cs, but he killed me in about 5 seconds, with his ult doing 1.5k health. This was midgame. I had popped all my spells and items once i realized what was happening, and i got off 3 empowered abilities. He destroyed me anyway and walked off with 2k hp remaining. Yes, I realize that most fights aren't just stationary trading, but it illustrates my point. THere shold have ben no way for him to fight me, but he stomped me. He proceeded to 1v5 quad my team with one person escaping, and then to solo all the way into our base and take out the nexus turrets (tanking them). Then he won.

ZT XperimentorJun 16, 20161 votes

I agree bruisers should be building 2~3 offensive items to have respectable damage while being durable. Though 'juggernauts' & similar I'd say are the exceptions to this generalization, either being mostly offensively built while being naturally durable, or vice-a-versa. However juggernauts are also immobile, while most bruisers being played have a fairly reliable gap closers either being mobility abilities or ranged crowd control. My beef however is the assassins & marksmen abusing tank items, and still being able to kill enemy champions (squishies & tanks alike) in less than a few seconds. They have way too much damage accessible to them!

AtronthorJun 13, 20161 votes

You are wrong. Mages and so called ad carries will be destroyed very fast even with much life. Because they have no resistance. Gold is very important in LoL. You should try to make always the last hit to get your gold and so on. Then you have the better equipment. At least this is highly propable. That means you are the better player and have the better equipment. Then you can lead your team to victory. If they wanna win. In my eyes we have no mage problem at all. And I think Riot buffed certain ADC-Items now. Or they will buff it soon.

And you should not forget that cheating is always possible. That means "players" who can manipulate the game mechanics with hacks. But very often these players are just very good and have an advantage in gold. Mages cant tank at all. May be there are exeptions I am no expert in LoL but in general a mage is no tank even if he has much life.

Chaos689Jun 14, 20161 votes

Umm what? I know they have low resists but a block of 3.5-4.5k HP is too much for an assassin to do their job unless they're full build lvl 18 - and the mages have around 2.5k by midgame. Yes I know csing is important - that's why i practice it. I don't see the point in saying that tho.