Fizz changes are a strong nerf not a actual buff.

Blasteriz·Feb 14, 2017·9 votes·2,501 views

If you seen the fizz changes on pbe it sounds nice on paper, however If you play the 7.4 pbe patch with fizz you will realize he got nerfed more then a actual buff. Here is why: They basically just hard nerfed his ult (cant pick up from the ground anymore, ppl can literally walk through it if its in the ground) and all he got was some very minor damage on his Q and his W passive actually does damage less in a burst situation. This + all the damage mastery nerfs i dont think fizz will even be playable anymore. Solution: Either fix the champion or revert the actual rework I mean come on he is barely hitting 50% winrate mark at diamond elo where the fizz mains/experienced players play him. Riot do something please :/

TDLR: The new fizz sucks ass and even got more nerfed

30 Comments

KaiokoFeb 14, 20177 votes

His Q is buffed as is his W. He shouldn't be rewarded for missing his ultimate. It's a skillshot you either land it or it becomes useless the fact that it even creates a zone in the first place is questionable.

MissingKayoFeb 14, 20175 votes

If it stuck to you, it didn't miss. You were still in the attachment zone.

And if you see it on the ground, gee, don't walk over it maybe?

KaiokoFeb 14, 20174 votes

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If it stuck to you, it didn't miss. You were still in the attachment zone.

And if you see it on the ground, gee, don't walk over it maybe?

The width the fish became at max range was about twice the animation which is extremely confusing when you're trying to avoid it so they fixed that part.

As far as the zone that it creates -- it can block a whole entry to the jungle or even a whole side of a base entry which is actually pretty massive. The change won't affect Fizz players that actually manage to land their ultimates properly it'll nerf those who can't however.

PennsFeb 14, 20177 votes

The W change wasnt really a buff at all. And Anivia can block a whole entry to the jungle with 17s base cooldown, Fizz uses his ult, so...

RatbertFeb 14, 20171 votes

Yes but anivia's wall does only 1 damage and blocks everyone while fizz ult only blocks enemies. Anivia's wall merely blocks but eating fizz's ult deals sizeable damage, slows, knocks up and applies damage amp. It's pretty unfair to compare a basic skill and one portion of an ultimate.

Besides, most other skillshots fizzle completely when missed and ults are no different, so fizz getting anything at all is already quite special.

Zane ZephyrFeb 14, 20173 votes

They took the damage amp off when he was updated

RatbertFeb 14, 20171 votes

TIL

Still even without that my point still stands, it's an unfair comparison and missing skill shots should really punish you.

BlasterizFeb 14, 20176 votes

His Q is not that big of a buff, you need 3 items to do 60 more damage then the live version. W scale is okay but the bleed duration reduced so it means when under tower your burst would be much worse.

137434Feb 14, 20172 votes

The bleed duration is increased. Which means your burst with one auto is reduced but it is easier to proc the increased bonus damage with the active (since it requires the target to have been bleeding for greater than 2 seconds).

Edit: okay just saw the 7.5 changes where bleed duration is reduced, but mark duration (for active) increased. In that case your burst is better, not worse, than live assuming the bleed damage doesn't get reduced.

BlasterizFeb 14, 20174 votes

Bleed duration decreased

Urchin Strike (Q) AP Ratio: 0.35 >>> 0.55

Seastone Trident (W) Bleed Duration: 4 sec >>> 3 sec Mark Duration: 4 sec >>> 6 sec (Trident cries and bubbles come out of them while DoT is on, otherwise it doesn't cry).

Fish (R) Auto pickup on miss >>> less generous. Ground attach removed (fish now flops on ground and plays death animation when it misses:

KaiokoFeb 14, 20172 votes

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Bleed duration decreased

Urchin Strike (Q) AP Ratio: 0.35 >>> 0.55

Seastone Trident (W) Bleed Duration: 4 sec >>> 3 sec Mark Duration: 4 sec >>> 6 sec (Trident cries and bubbles come out of them while DoT is on, otherwise it doesn't cry).

Fish (R) Auto pickup on miss >>> less generous. Ground attach removed (fish now flops on ground and plays death animation when it misses:

you should check again -- Fizz [change list & context from Phroxz0n] Urchin Strike (Q) AP ratio increased from 35% to 45%

Seastone Trident (W) Bleed duration increased from 4 seconds to 6 seconds. Bleed AP ratio increased from 33% to 45%

BlasterizFeb 14, 20171 votes

https://www.reddit.com/r/fizzmains/comments/5u2ecc/tentative_fizz_changes_for_75/

Nop

KaiokoFeb 14, 20172 votes

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https://www.reddit.com/r/fizzmains/comments/5u2ecc/tentative_fizz_changes_for_75/

Nop

So you created a whole thread talking about the 7.4 changes and then you bring in changes from 7.5? 7.4 isn't even confirmed yet and you're gonna mention something 2 patches away? ok lol.

Nico Nico NiiiFeb 14, 20174 votes

This can be changed but it is what infomation so far we got.

I don't see why he could not create a thread about it

PennsFeb 14, 20172 votes

Pretty sure those changes are reverted and surrenderat20 is gonna update it next pbe patch or something.

137434Feb 14, 20171 votes

That still doesn't line up with "so it means when under tower your burst would be much worse."

Lower bleed duration with same bleed damage = higher burst.

PennsFeb 14, 20177 votes

Those changes likely arent going live, he is getting different ones in 7.5.

BlasterizFeb 14, 20171 votes

Confirmed? Where

PennsFeb 14, 20173 votes

https://www.reddit.com/r/fizzmains/comments/5u2ecc/tentative_fizz_changes_for_75/ Not very different, but at least W is getting a real buff that doesnt just make Zhonyas worse against him, so.. yay lul

BlasterizFeb 14, 20172 votes

Actually not a bad change but the ult remain untouched hmmm

Fisherman FízzFeb 14, 20171 votes

Those changes look pretty decent, they give more burst and more figthing chances when R is not available! pheew...

EDIT: Noticed the Q AP ratio is almost the same as season 4 Fizz but without the higher base damage.

MaeDoSanFeb 14, 20173 votes

Finally people can stop hating fizz now that he won't be that strong anymore

BlasterizFeb 14, 20175 votes

You're right but the new fizz is much worse then the old one because of you depend so much on your ulti now and now that they remove a big part used alot on his ulti it will be even worse.

PaquayFeb 14, 20173 votes

Waaah! Must hit a skill shot! Waaah!

DynikusFeb 14, 20171 votes

His ult's hitbox was complete bullshit before and needed to be fixed anyway, be happy that they decided to throw him some buffs at the same time.

BlasterizFeb 14, 20172 votes

They fixed the hitbox 2 patches ago what are you on about?

DynikusFeb 14, 20171 votes

Uhh what? Fizz hasn't even been in the patch notes since 6.24, and that was just visual changes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcsa9mzrYas This bullshit is still live.

BlasterizFeb 15, 20171 votes

that's already fixed in a bugfix 7.1

DynikusFeb 15, 20171 votes