Seriously this needs to stop! If Vayne is even slightly fed early game, she turns into a monster that can pretty much one shot anyone on the team. She seems way too broken and there seems to be no effective counter for her insane damage and speed. Suggestions?
64393389_DEL4 votesEvery single ability of her is broken. Passive: A Vayne is chasing you and you think you can escape? Good luck with that. Q: Dash with which you can dodge any skill shot, built-in Lich Bane that scales with AD and ridiculously small CD. W: Every 3 hits you get at least double the damage and it can't be countered because it's TRUE damage. E: Sorry, but you aren't getting close to me. R: Who needs to buy AD when I have my ult and 1 sec of invisibility when I Q?
Sir ArmaMalum3 votesHer insane late game is to make up for her short range and worse-than-average early game. She inherently relies on 1v1's and picks because she herself is very vulnerable to being picked off in a teamfight. If in ranked/draft make sure you counter pick her with a good dive champ like Vi, J4 or Jax, and if in blind make sure to keep her down early game. If neither is possible attack speed reduction items and staying grouped will get you far everytime.
SmokinSickStyle7 votesShort range > 550
SHORT.
There's only a few champs that have it higher than her, and they have it because that's all they have.
We cannot hide the fact that Vayne's kit is overloaded and has enough damage for 2 ADC, once she ranks her ult she has so many free stats that she can easily trade with anyone.
She's the only ADC that has a potential stun on a basic ability and that can go toe to toe with Assassins.
Tsunday3 votesJinx, Cait, Kog, Trist, Varus, Ashe, Twitch during ult (aka teamfight Twitch). Basically the other hypercarries (Koggles and Tristy) outrange her and are still hypercarries.
Out of 17 ADCs 7 of them out range her and 5 of them share the same range as her (7 if we're talking Tristy lvl 1 and Twitch w/o ult) She outranges 4 ADCs.
That is short range for an ADC. Vayne's kit does not have enough damage for 2 ADCs, she builds less damage than other ADCs, she doesn't benefit from crit chance the same way other ADCs do. She has an abysmal early game in a meta of lane bully ADCs and she is susceptible to falling behind. Her damage boost is % max hp so if you build resistances against her instead of HP she doesn't shred you down as easily. A frozen heart (which lowers AS and gives armor) or a Thornmail (which reflects AAs and gives armor) are more effective on her than a Randiun's Omen or Sunfire cape which seem to be everyone's go to armor items.
HeeroTX2 votesFor the record, I hate Jinx and she's a sack of ****, so gonna ignore her. I'll give you Ashe. Twitch is Vayne WITHOUT the True dmg. Cait has range, but that is LITERALLY her identity, her ULT is a freaking long range AA (that can be blocked) Varus is basically the same as Cait, but his identity is "poke" so yeah, he can "shoot far" Kog is immobile (for an adc) Trist burns her passive for her range, but even if we're gonna say that still means she outranges Vayne, it doesn't matter BECAUSE all (every SINGLE one) of Trist's abilities are targeted, so Vayne's tumble means Trist can't "outrange" her because she can just tumble through the variance. And they're talking about removing the pink ability to pierce THAT. Make her tumble just a straight dash (ie. can still be hit while moving faster) and I'll agree that she's "short range". But otherwise, she can close better than Lucian because she can stealth while closing the gap.
Lord Dusteon4 votesShort range > 550
SHORT.
There's only a few champs that have it higher than her, and they have it because that's all they have.
We cannot hide the fact that Vayne's kit is overloaded and has enough damage for 2 ADC, once she ranks her ult she has so many free stats that she can easily trade with anyone.
She's the only ADC that has a potential stun on a basic ability and that can go toe to toe with Assassins.
You do realize Vayne's autoattack range is 550, but her effective range is also 550? She literally cannot harm you if you are not within 550 range of her. Almost every other adc can at least poke you; Vayne can do nothing unless she is in autoattack range.
KingPontus6 votesNo she can just role to you and kill you and when you get close she will just push you away
DemonicRetriix2 votes^^
MrR0bot4 votesYou forget the fact that she has % true damage as an auto proc, that gives it infinite potential damage. Darius's ult can do less true damage and at least has a cooldown.
At least move her true damage proc to her ult.
KingPontus3 votesNo she's just unbalanced and riot refuses to nerf her because everyone plays her. In team fights she excels with her life steal and massive damage
FioraWillCarry3 votes[{quoted}](name=Sir ArmaMalum,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PVnqZ9KY,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-01-29T14:10:53.080+0000)
she herself is very vulnerable to being picked off in a teamfight.
Not with that E and her bullshit ult. Seriously, focusing Vayne in a teamfight is often the worst thing you can do.
DaveedIsPissed1 votesshes the most frequent champion i see gets a pentakill by herself in the games ive been in (both my and enemy teams) and also the only adc i see get a pentakill by herself
Tsunday3 votesIf Vayne is even slightly fed early game
One of the worst early game ADCs shouldn't be getting fed early. Vayne shouldn't be able to get off her silver bolts in lane unless you all in her when she has full HP, Vayne should be able to be poked via abilities/AAs without being in range to retaliate during lane.
she turns into a monster that can pretty much one shot anyone on the team.
3 shot. It takes gettingher bolts off to kill someone because she builds more AS than AD/Crit.
much one shot anyone
Armor and not Armor + massive HP is your friend. her bolts do percent hp so something like randuins/sunfire against her is less effective.
N3mO062 votesuncounterable damage and instant stealth with dash, this is the reason. She has also a bad early, so this should balance
Tsunday1 votesThey are removing the stealth with her dash if they didn't during 5.2
Risk of Fate1 votesLots. Of. CC. Seriously, you can stop any champion, no matter how strong or mobile, by getting them alone, locking them down and crunching them before they have a chance to escape. I've seen many good vayne mains and, yes I do admit she's strong late game, I rely them being greedy and extremely careless about their safety, sometimes getting them under turret long enough to kill them if not do an insane amount of damage and hope to finish her off.
DaveedIsPissed1 votesso to beat vayne you need her to make a MAJOR mistake as an adc and hope that its enough to kill her or u die
DemonicRetriix1 votesShe is op but her being op at the end game makes up for her poor performance early game. If you dont want vayne to carry bully her early game. Plus she is very fragile so she relies on team mates to support her.
LegendBullDog672 votesDon't worry about early game, She's a most broken champions more then teemo.....like for real but her health make her weak because she only focus on her ability power then again focusing on her only in team fight just not a good idea. Is such a pain T-T having her running around when there a Darious beside her with 3200 health.
