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Okay so these Sej nerfs...

Ape ded I Kled··65 votes·4,848 views

...are not all that bad. If you think about it, she was good before 5.6, I loved playing her in 5.5, and now with Cinderhulk the problem is not that "oh man a tank is really good we gotta nerf her". I think the issue is that Sejuani (to me personally) is much better than the other tank junglers. I say this not only based off win rate, or by popularity, but because now her clear is good, her presence is amazing, and because her ganks are phenomenal for 2 reasons.

  1. A typical gank would have her Q in, W, and then E. The thing with Sej is even if you miss your Q, you're still on top of the enemy (unless maybe they flashed), and can still w, e, making extremely easy for lanes to kill the enemy.
  2. When I play sej i start top side buff and lvl 2 gank top lane, 100% of the time get their flash or they die, but this is because i always tell top not to push and that I'm going to gank early so top knows to trade with them from the start. Getting early flashes makes for very easy follows up since there is almost no other way to get away from her. Honestly, I'm sad to see the nerf, I've been loving winning with her, but it's easy, and I think the nerf was deserved. I'm actually surprised they didn't nerf the slow on her E, instead they buffed the damage. I think the rage at Riot is for no reason, Vi was still nerfed, J4 is not as good of a tank at Sej/Naut/Cho/rammus, and now rammus is even suppose to get a buff! I think it's a fun time to be a jungler, there has been a lot changing this season already, and i think its fun to get to try new things each patch. Personally, my hat is going off to Riot.

38 Comments

1st HanarSpectre43 votes

Even if you are a Sejuani player, even if you don't agree 100% with the need for nerfs. You should be happy that they are finally opting to go baby steps foam bat rather than hardcore drill knee cap with their balance changes.

Puaru4 votes

I'll support that. I don't play her at all, but I liked seeing her shake up with meta, and while I think the nerfs are bullshit, at least they didn't Warwick the fuck out of her. That being said, this is like having your dog pee on your rug instead of having a loose bowel movement. If you have to pick one, it's definitely the former, but you're still not happy about it.

OyddAWqJ5r2 votes

That's debatable. Sometimes it's a dry one you can simply scoop up whereas urination will soak in no matter what. But I'm not one to nitpick analogies or anything lol

revliledpembroke2 votes

"Pee on the tile pee on the tile! DAMN! It's on the rug!"

GundayMonday2 votes

You know what? I can get behind that.

Birdamus Prime1 votes

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Even if you are a Sejuani player, even if you don't agree 100% with the need for nerfs. You should be happy that they are finally opting to go baby steps foam bat rather than hardcore drill knee cap with their balance changes.

Tell that to Veigar, tell that to veigar. A moment of silence for a champion erased from the game.

1st HanarSpectre1 votes

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Tell that to Veigar, tell that to veigar. A moment of silence for a champion erased from the game.

They made Kassadin into a decent champion again, that should give you hope for the tiny master of evil.

Reazale8 votes

The nerfs are good (i mean , not severe stuff that would shit all over her) and (i would bet) something many of us saw coming. Ppl are not complaining about its severity, but the suddenly of it: Sej gets good? insta nerf for the next patch? Leblanc is good? let her big 3 patchs of killing ppl in under .75 secs, np. Its about that , the favorites, the way they pay more attention to the champs they dont love and put them down when they rise, but zed/etc just get lovetaps. (yes im a part of the criclejerk, cant say i aint, this is what ones becomes when they just destroy ur main with "compensation buffs", im still w8ing for those)

Solaxo5 votes

It's not about whether it was deserved or not. People are pissed that Lee Sin keeps avoiding nerfs, yet Sej gets nerfed immidiately after she became strong

GetBoomedOn3 votes

Agreed, Sej is friggin broken atm. She's already damn near unkillable.

Ape ded I Kled5 votes

I wouldn't say she's broken, there is plenty of counter play. An adc that gets peel and has blade will shred her very quickly. If you just bring a ward or two for the lane it is hard for her to gank unless you are low enough to dive, in which case just back or ping for your jungle to come if he's close.

Ace Access 1 votes

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Agreed, Sej is friggin broken atm. She's already damn near unkillable.

I know sej is broken as hell but why is LeeSin not getting hit by the nerf hammer, why the favoritism here ? it seems everyone besides Bruce is guaranteed to get nerfed when they are broken, balanced or not even in need of tweaking

Poptart Evelynn3 votes

The changes are where she is broken. It's an excellent nerf that I approve for I also play sej a lot. I saw this coming from a mile away.

Vellich0r1 votes

the nerfs are only actually noticeable if you are really bad about hitting sej ults. She will still be a broken sej bear of death next patch so dont worry about losing freelo

shalexade3 votes

I love the level 2 gank with Sej, but it shows exactly why Sejuani's win rate is so high.

If you are jungling against a sejuani, she takes the frog, and you kill her at blue.

If she goes top, you take her red and set her a mile behind.

But people don't exploit her weakness- being counter jungled, so she stays strong

Nishai1 votes

My current main is sej and she is a little to strong and boring at times. In several games I've had to haul ass cause my team got wrecked and I almost always get away to defend the tower the enemy starts pushing. The only real way to stop her is to get in front of her so she can't use her q to clear extra distance.

Ape ded I Kled1 votes

I've been playing her a lot recently and what I've found is if you land an let on 3-5 people your team is quick to follow up with you and team fights look pretty, if you miss the ult or only hit a Nautilus with it, my teams have pretty much just retreated even if we could win the fight. I mean you don't have to hit the adc with your ult to get on them and kill them.

IcyPepper1 votes

My problem is that the nerf does not have much to do with what tipped her over the edge. Like, her ult's nerf doesn't make sense. I get the whole "you should be punished if you miss it" (so tired of people saying that and calling me bad when I'm talking about what comes next) deal, but I'm going to miss the teamfighting utility where you throw it at the condensed group, stunning one person while slowing the rest down considerably.

But the utility of her ult has nothing to do with the increased damage of her W, which is the only thing that changed with cinderhulk. Her E spell slows more than her ult now.

Ape ded I Kled1 votes

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My problem is that the nerf does not have much to do with what tipped her over the edge. Like, her ult's nerf doesn't make sense. I get the whole "you should be punished if you miss it" (so tired of people saying that and calling me bad when I'm talking about what comes next) deal, but I'm going to miss the teamfighting utility where you throw it at the condensed group, stunning one person while slowing the rest down considerably.

But the utility of her ult has nothing to do with the increased damage of her W, which is the only thing that changed with cinderhulk. Her E spell slows more than her ult now.

So i think with the change they want Sej to have consequences when she misses, or if you're going to hit the adc now someone can peel when before it will still basically stun the adc if it hit someone else. Now you can still get that slow on the whole team, but you have to be in the trenches tanking dmg to do it, which i think will make her more killable and less indestructible which is fair.

Rinky Dinky3 votes

Ult nerf makes perfect sense friend.

They punish the sejuani's who wiff.

IcyPepper2 votes

I clearly just said I have nothing against being punished for the whole whiffing business... and talked about teamfighting utility, which I'm worried about.

Please, please, please read.

I get the whole "you should be punished if you miss it" (so tired of people saying that and calling me bad when I'm talking about what comes next) deal, but I'm going to miss the teamfighting utility

I get it. I really, really do.

Maybe they should change it up so that it hits someone, the aoe slow is stronger for neary champions, but whiffing it gets a slow reduction.

And to be fair, it's short range instead of global, so at least they kept the whole aoe business.

DeathToEcchi1 votes

If it hits, the stun is AoE.

Divewing1 votes

what....the fuck kind of variables are these.....

From what i can gather, you are saying: You couldn't hit enough/the right targets with the ult, and now the slow is gone when you technically didnt miss it at all... but lets be realistic here, the opposing team would have to be MILES apart for you to hit either 1 person or the single tank (chances are that one is dead now anyway, out of position).

I can't really think of a even remotely common situation where you won't either chain stun at least 3 or a carry+1, or miss completely......like shit you'd probably have to be TRYING to hit only 1 person........

^If this isn't the issue you're going to have to be very clear on what aspect of "gutting the slow removes her teamfight utility" is an issue...it ideally shouldn't be slowing in the first place, should be FREEZING FOTHER MUCKERS SOLID!!!!!!!!!!

Ariaflux1 votes

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I'm going to miss the teamfighting utility where you throw it at the condensed group, stunning one person while slowing the rest down considerably.

You must be mixing up her ult with someone else's (maybe Leona?) because if she hits her ult, it's an AoE stun. The stun is replaced by slow if you miss, with the same AoE and duration.

helli0n1 votes

So I should still buy her? I just got the IP for it lol

Rinky Dinky2 votes

If you actually think you will like the champion, yes.

If you are only buying her because you only buy freelo champions, no.

Edit: I feel like I was a bit ruderino. So basically, if you want to have a tank jungler in your champion roster, who you can pick up relatively easily, sejuani is the way to go :3

Ape ded I Kled1 votes

Even if you want the freelo champ I'd do it, she's still easy to play, and can carry team fights well.

Rinky Dinky2 votes

Gotta land that ult now tho xD

Divewing1 votes

No you weren't rude you were truthful. Im scared to touch Viktor again because i hate being lumped into bandwagons. That and every champ i try and main gets gutted... (I started dec 2013 and ONLY COS I LOVE WIND/SAMURAI, NO H8 PLS) Yasuo Talon Syndra Azir Still waiting for nerfs to Malzahar

Vellich0r1 votes

Yeah, she is in a really ridiculous position right now. Her damage, cc, and tankiness mean that even when 10 kills+ behind she can still carry a game.

Nicky Junior1 votes

sej is still broken af

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Lee Sin still gets to kick the carries into his own team, and Sejuani still gets to have her ult have a lower CC? What justice is that?

ZeroAnarchy1 votes

Seriously why are you still complaining about Lee Sin when he isn't even top tier even more. He's good but not the best. Lee has to go in melee range to get his ult off, Sejuani's is a ranged one that can lock down a whole team if aimed correctly.

jv21blU7oD1 votes

Yeah the nerfs aren't bad at all. She will remain a strong champion and you just have to be more on point with ulti.

RattleKnight1 votes

Funny how 2 months ago people didnt give a **** about sejuani . Sej happened to be the only champ I'm good at; and i was proud to be the only one play her. Now when she get popular, nerf waves keep coming. I loved her and liked to play her ap mid sometime. I hope this is the last time they change her, unless for a buff

Soleka1 votes

I loved playing Sej back when taking her was considered a troll pick, and she was "worthless". Now I'm trying out jungle as an alt to support. Thanks to Sej & Lord Bacon I've been enjoying jungle. While I am not the best at it, I am getting better. Even with her nerfs she's very fun.

GundayMonday1 votes

They just reverted the E Buff on PBE... http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/31038-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-3-18-2015

I can see the W nerf if it had to do with the damage given from her max health, but not the % on hit. Also, the ult slow nerf makes little sense to me. Will change how you engage with her since you have to aim for a sure lockdown instead of the middle of a group. Not a fan personally.

JedenVojak1 votes

I already consider Sejuani's slow to be heavily nerfed, since it only lasts for a second and doesn't get any longer by levelling her E. I don't think it would make sense to nerf it now.

As for the slow on ult nerf, I don't really care that much, since the instances where I don't either: A) Nail the person for the stun B) The bolas flies off in god knows what direction and wiffs entirely are extremely rare.

That said, less damage is bad - Sejuani is melee, so she should do more damage, not less.

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