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Okay so these Sej nerfs...

Ape ded I Kled·3/18/2015, 4:50:56 PM·65 votes·4,848 views

...are not all that bad. If you think about it, she was good before 5.6, I loved playing her in 5.5, and now with Cinderhulk the problem is not that "oh man a tank is really good we gotta nerf her". I think the issue is that Sejuani (to me personally) is much better than the other tank junglers. I say this not only based off win rate, or by popularity, but because now her clear is good, her presence is amazing, and because her ganks are phenomenal for 2 reasons.

  1. A typical gank would have her Q in, W, and then E. The thing with Sej is even if you miss your Q, you're still on top of the enemy (unless maybe they flashed), and can still w, e, making extremely easy for lanes to kill the enemy.
  2. When I play sej i start top side buff and lvl 2 gank top lane, 100% of the time get their flash or they die, but this is because i always tell top not to push and that I'm going to gank early so top knows to trade with them from the start. Getting early flashes makes for very easy follows up since there is almost no other way to get away from her. Honestly, I'm sad to see the nerf, I've been loving winning with her, but it's easy, and I think the nerf was deserved. I'm actually surprised they didn't nerf the slow on her E, instead they buffed the damage. I think the rage at Riot is for no reason, Vi was still nerfed, J4 is not as good of a tank at Sej/Naut/Cho/rammus, and now rammus is even suppose to get a buff! I think it's a fun time to be a jungler, there has been a lot changing this season already, and i think its fun to get to try new things each patch. Personally, my hat is going off to Riot.

38 Comments

1st HanarSpectre3/18/2015, 6:03:21 PM43 votes

Even if you are a Sejuani player, even if you don't agree 100% with the need for nerfs. You should be happy that they are finally opting to go baby steps foam bat rather than hardcore drill knee cap with their balance changes.

Reazale3/18/2015, 7:59:15 PM8 votes

The nerfs are good (i mean , not severe stuff that would shit all over her) and (i would bet) something many of us saw coming. Ppl are not complaining about its severity, but the suddenly of it: Sej gets good? insta nerf for the next patch? Leblanc is good? let her big 3 patchs of killing ppl in under .75 secs, np. Its about that , the favorites, the way they pay more attention to the champs they dont love and put them down when they rise, but zed/etc just get lovetaps. (yes im a part of the criclejerk, cant say i aint, this is what ones becomes when they just destroy ur main with "compensation buffs", im still w8ing for those)

Solaxo3/18/2015, 8:23:16 PM5 votes

It's not about whether it was deserved or not. People are pissed that Lee Sin keeps avoiding nerfs, yet Sej gets nerfed immidiately after she became strong

GetBoomedOn3/18/2015, 5:23:50 PM3 votes

Agreed, Sej is friggin broken atm. She's already damn near unkillable.

Poptart Evelynn3/18/2015, 7:07:49 PM3 votes

The changes are where she is broken. It's an excellent nerf that I approve for I also play sej a lot. I saw this coming from a mile away.

shalexade3/18/2015, 10:59:32 PM3 votes

I love the level 2 gank with Sej, but it shows exactly why Sejuani's win rate is so high.

If you are jungling against a sejuani, she takes the frog, and you kill her at blue.

If she goes top, you take her red and set her a mile behind.

But people don't exploit her weakness- being counter jungled, so she stays strong

helli0n3/18/2015, 8:22:48 PM1 votes

So I should still buy her? I just got the IP for it lol

Nishai3/18/2015, 6:24:53 PM1 votes

My current main is sej and she is a little to strong and boring at times. In several games I've had to haul ass cause my team got wrecked and I almost always get away to defend the tower the enemy starts pushing. The only real way to stop her is to get in front of her so she can't use her q to clear extra distance.

JedenVojak3/20/2015, 3:36:57 AM1 votes

I already consider Sejuani's slow to be heavily nerfed, since it only lasts for a second and doesn't get any longer by levelling her E. I don't think it would make sense to nerf it now.

As for the slow on ult nerf, I don't really care that much, since the instances where I don't either: A) Nail the person for the stun B) The bolas flies off in god knows what direction and wiffs entirely are extremely rare.

That said, less damage is bad - Sejuani is melee, so she should do more damage, not less.

Vellich0r3/19/2015, 12:23:21 AM1 votes

Yeah, she is in a really ridiculous position right now. Her damage, cc, and tankiness mean that even when 10 kills+ behind she can still carry a game.

Nicky Junior3/19/2015, 12:26:36 AM1 votes

sej is still broken af

BeatzBoyFTW3/19/2015, 8:36:07 AM1 votes

Lee Sin still gets to kick the carries into his own team, and Sejuani still gets to have her ult have a lower CC? What justice is that?

jv21blU7oD3/19/2015, 10:49:15 AM1 votes

Yeah the nerfs aren't bad at all. She will remain a strong champion and you just have to be more on point with ulti.

RattleKnight3/19/2015, 2:36:30 PM1 votes

Funny how 2 months ago people didnt give a **** about sejuani . Sej happened to be the only champ I'm good at; and i was proud to be the only one play her. Now when she get popular, nerf waves keep coming. I loved her and liked to play her ap mid sometime. I hope this is the last time they change her, unless for a buff

Soleka3/19/2015, 8:24:37 PM1 votes

I loved playing Sej back when taking her was considered a troll pick, and she was "worthless". Now I'm trying out jungle as an alt to support. Thanks to Sej & Lord Bacon I've been enjoying jungle. While I am not the best at it, I am getting better. Even with her nerfs she's very fun.

GundayMonday3/19/2015, 9:46:56 PM1 votes

They just reverted the E Buff on PBE... http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/31038-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-3-18-2015

I can see the W nerf if it had to do with the damage given from her max health, but not the % on hit. Also, the ult slow nerf makes little sense to me. Will change how you engage with her since you have to aim for a sure lockdown instead of the middle of a group. Not a fan personally.

IcyPepper3/18/2015, 6:58:36 PM1 votes

My problem is that the nerf does not have much to do with what tipped her over the edge. Like, her ult's nerf doesn't make sense. I get the whole "you should be punished if you miss it" (so tired of people saying that and calling me bad when I'm talking about what comes next) deal, but I'm going to miss the teamfighting utility where you throw it at the condensed group, stunning one person while slowing the rest down considerably.

But the utility of her ult has nothing to do with the increased damage of her W, which is the only thing that changed with cinderhulk. Her E spell slows more than her ult now.