to garen and renekton players

VaggelisKotsGR·Jan 28, 2020·2 votes·1,184 views

how do u feel that u win every game with no skill? how do u feel that after level ten u become unkillable even with no items? how do u feel that u play champs made for new players so they can learn the basics? winning the lane but eventually losing it because the opponent Garen got black cleaver and now he suddenly is unkillable is too broken even a baby can do it. u should be ashamed of yourselves and even u reach high elo u know u will never be a high skilled player... pathetic kids that try to win every way possible i hope riot some day will nerf these two and make the game some what more balanced than it is now... so sad

20 Comments

HommeGoujonJan 28, 20204 votes

They really are not similar champs at all.

how do u feel that u win every game with no skill?

Renekton WR: 46.54% - 48.64% Rank for top: 30/44 (u.gg), 37/51 (op.gg), 36/42 (champion.gg)

On a side note, in your past 40+ games top, you've played directly against a Garen 4 times (3 losses, 1 win) and against a Renekton 0 time. So, I I don't think these two champs are actually a problem for you.

VaggelisKotsGRJan 29, 20201 votes

Yes because I always ban him! I haven’t played against renekton since previous season but he is too op still! Last game I played against him he could just walk in my tower and kill me with just titanic hydra! He was just one kill ahead and we had the same farm! How is it balanced that a champ can do that when all other champs need to have three to four items and use flash? (Rene didn’t use flash or did any skilled play... he just went in and killed me while getting hit from tower a thousand times without dying...) why should champ be so tanky and and do a damage like an assassin at the same time? How is this balanced?

SaezioJan 29, 20202 votes

There is a section called /rant.

Go rant there. Neither rene nor garen are particularly strong RN. They are just good vs bad players.

VaggelisKotsGRJan 29, 20201 votes

Lol ok boomer

SaezioJan 29, 20201 votes

You don't understand your post is a rant?

The champs you whine about are not strong.

And someone that mains lux shouldn't accuse others of playing "easy" champs.

VaggelisKotsGRJan 29, 20201 votes

And who the Fock are u to judge if they are strong or no? In my Elo they are. And don’t start this “u just bad” shiet u know that they op and they can just outscale u with 1 item. What does lux has to do with that? Does lux outscale you with just starting items when u are two items ahead? Does she rely on at least one skill shot to get ahead? She can do damage but she is too squeesy so she is an easy target for the assassins and can get one shot easily. I’m not complaining because they are easy to play, I’m complaining because they are too op and easy to play at the same time.

SaezioJan 29, 20202 votes

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u know that they op and they can just outscale u with 1 item.

AHAHHAAHAH

Garen+Rene outscaling xD

IMelchorIJan 29, 20201 votes

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And who the Fock are u to judge if they are strong or no?

https://u.gg/lol/champions/garen/build https://u.gg/lol/champions/renekton/build

garen has 48% winrate at platinum with a low pickrate renekton has a 49% winrate with a 1% higher pickrate both of them need a small buff at the moment just admit that the champions arent the problem and you are terrible at playing against them

it is the first step to self improvement.

BijeesnyJan 29, 20202 votes

Why people think that playing ez champs means a player playing them is unskilled?

People should main ez champs, especially if they're low elo because it allows you to learn THE GAME, while not having to worry about piloting your champs correctly.

There is a reason LS tells low elo players to play annie.

VaggelisKotsGRJan 29, 20201 votes

I don’t blame the champ because they are easy to play but because they are op too

BijeesnyJan 29, 20201 votes

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I don’t blame the champ because they are easy to play but because they are op too

Ok and? Not only thats just your opinion but there is nothing wrong with playing "op" champs.

And tbh, there are far more op champs than those 2.

TeodorusofNoxusJan 28, 20201 votes

I will start with the obvious. You know Garen is waay better with Trinity after his rework. Besides his E gains spins of AS and has a built in 25 percent armor shred at 6 spin. Secondly, you do realize mechanics are not everything. Macro, Csing, Wave control are all as important, even more so. So the high elo Garen players do those things way better. Plus Riste( Garen main) adjusts his runes every time, does the same with his build. Something you and I don' t do. I rarely change runes for a champ.

VaggelisKotsGRJan 29, 20201 votes

Dude that’s not what I mean! I know that all this is important but that’s not my point. I’m mad because a Garen can have less farm, less kills (or no kills) and less items and still out scale you! With his op passive and tankynes he gets unkillable and he has insane damage with his Q and he also has a long silence! Something has to be nerfed! It’s not normal to be able to outscale someone that’s got more farm more kills more items. And yes I know that if the other guy is skilled even if he has less farm/kills/items can outplay u or make skilled plays and kill u but that’s not the case! He just walks on me and presses q then w then e and then ult and even if the whole team hits him he is not dying! U can’t have so much damage and tankyness at the same time it’s unbalanced.

TeodorusofNoxusJan 29, 20201 votes

So a Garen fell behind. happens to often vs Morde, Darius, even mage tops. You then gave him 35 minutes to farm. If he is so behind then kill him, end the game. Also his passive doesn't work in combat, so he is not unkillable. His R does good damage but doesn't reset like Darius. His w was nerfed. He can be kited.

2gudaiyaJan 29, 20201 votes

those two really are some seriously ugly champions, iunno how anyone bitches about something else on the map when renekton is around and he just beats you by the numbers for 9 levels of the game.

NickColaTesla Jan 29, 20201 votes

I just ban Renekton TBH.

He's a terribly designed champion IMO. The whole purpose of him is to screw over the enemy laner with his early dominance and massive level 6 powerspike. As you transition to teamfights, he loses 99 percent of his viability and becomes a 2500 health meat shield, making both you and the enemy Renekton useless since you'll be behind. The design is really stupid IMO, but again, some of you may disagree and I respect that.

But as much as people say it, I'll say it again; Garen is a pretty straight forward matchup AS LONG as you don't get hit by his E. If you stay in its range, you'll start to see your health drop frighteningly fast no matter what champion you are in lane. Without that though, he really has no means to kill you. Even if his silence is up, you can still all in him most of the time. Even at level 6, the only time he'll be able to kill most bruisers is with some Silence+E+R+Ignite cheese.

Darius hard counters his kit, and if you let Garen push your tower Level 3, you can AA --> W cancel --> AA (At this point Garens will start to retreat) --> E pull him back --> Q (Your 5 stacks of hemmorage will AT LEAST cause him to panic flash). Close the flash gap, run him down with ghost, and kill him. You've one lane at that point as long as you push that wave back to his tower.

Again, Garen's E is arguably more dangerous then his ultimate. This sets up the damage to even be able to execute.

If you let Garen hit you with his abilities, he's going to chunk you out. Even if he does, the least you can do is make sure he chunks your minions out at the same time forcing a push. If you play behind minions, respect a reasonable gap between you two, and put up an equal dominance, there shouldn't be a reason for you being behind.

Edit: And honestly, the few times I've played Garen wasn't because he's the best pick in the game; it's because he's hella fun to play. Execute a champion, and watch the visual ripple of the screen as Garen booms, "DEMACIA!" And you'll see why he's so satisfying to play.

VaggelisKotsGRJan 29, 20201 votes

His silence doesn’t let you get away from his e range that’s the whole point! It’s inevitable... and how can u all in a champ with so much armor plus health plus insane healt regen from passive?

NickColaTesla Jan 29, 20202 votes

This is why you keep the range against him and space properly. The only way he can close the gap without a summoner spell is with that silence.

Darius is a pure counterpick to Garen for a number of reasons.

Garen has passive armor gain from killing minions. Darius has passive armor pen.
Garen has passive health regen after a few seconds. Darius has passive DoT, prolonging the time needed to activate that regen.
Garen needs the silence to close the gap. Darius can back up, and use his E on Garen when the silence wears off.
Darius can save his abilities for when Garen uses his silence, as the primary purpose of them in lane is to stack Hemorrhage. Meaning basic attacks will suffice until you can use your W.

NethhemarJan 29, 20201 votes

I’ll be honest, I can’t play either to save my life. It’s a niche I simply cannot fill. I don’t think they are broken. There are so many ways to counter them, from items, to champions. Hell, if you have that many issues with the silence just take cleanse. Buy a QSS.

Too many times in low elo do I see my fellow teammates complain they can’t do anything against said CC, or champion. Lo and behold, all they have are damage items and no counter building is taking place. And when you point it out, the rage at you, and say it’s the CHAMPIONS fault, not THEIRS.

The game is about outplays, and crying like a baby while doing nothing about it, is not how one excels.